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Re: [profile] Profile spec title

From: Giuseppe Pascale <giuseppep@opera.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:24:32 +0100
To: "Dewa, Yoshiharu (OSAKI)" <Yoshiharu.Dewa@jp.sony.com>, "Vickers, Mark" <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com>, "John Simmons" <johnsim@microsoft.com>
Cc: "Jan Lindquist" <jan.lindquist@ericsson.com>, "public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.v9cpm61s6ugkrk@giuseppep-x220>
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:21:33 +0100, John Simmons <johnsim@microsoft.com>  
wrote:

> I suggest it would be helpful to agree on the scope section of this  
> document, and then pick a title that accurately reflects that scope.
>
> Below is the scope as it is today. The first two bullets are really the  
> scope. The following two paragraphs are there for clarification.
>
> I believe the scope should be more precise - instead of "set of  
> languages" it should state something about "profiles of W3C  
> specifications". And I believe it should be specific about video  
> services.
>
Could you provide some alternative text?

Thanks,
/g

> Once this is boiled down to one hard paragraph, the clarification  
> paragraphs can go away and the title will declare itself.
>
> John
> ==================================================================
> The scope of this document is limited to:
>
> - provide references to a set of languages that shall be supported by  
> devices and can be used by content and service providers to author  
> content and services to be presented to the end user.
>
> - provide references to a set of metrics that can be used to evaluate  
> performances of devices
>
> The scope of this document is not to describe an entire operating  
> system. In particular, hardware and software configuration that user  
> would be expected to have on their devices are out of scope.
>
> The scope of this document is not to describe a unique end-to-end  
> delivery system. In particular, mandating a specific end-to-end network  
> configuration (including network protocols, video codecs, video  
> streaming technologies and so on) is out of scope for this document.  
> Nonetheless this document may describe how some specific technologies  
> may be combined together in order to provide a functional TV service.
> =======================================================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dewa, Yoshiharu (OSAKI) [mailto:Yoshiharu.Dewa@jp.sony.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:54 PM
> To: Vickers, Mark; Giuseppe Pascale
> Cc: Jan Lindquist; public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG
> Subject: RE: [profile] Profile spec title
>
> All,
>
> I would like to keep some word for CE devices. If it just say  
> "interactive video services", the baseline for measurement of some  
> parameters and/or sub setting will rather be vague and the result will  
> be unpractical.
>
> Rgs,
> -- Yoshiharu
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vickers, Mark [mailto:Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:10 AM
>> To: Giuseppe Pascale
>> Cc: Jan Lindquist; public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG
>> Subject: Re: [profile] Profile spec title
>>
>> "Web and TV" is very unclear in meaning. We constantly have to explain
>> that the Web and TV IG is not limited to TV devices. We shouldn't
>> extend this confusion to the profile spec. I believe the profile is
>> defining client requirements for displaying video services and so
>> "Video Services" should be in the title.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:
>>
>> > Would one of the following title+subtitle address both needs?:
>> >
>> > "Web and TV profile"
>> > Guidelines for integration of interactive video services in a
>> browser-based environment
>> >
>> > "Web and TV guidelines"
>> > A profile of HTML5 and other web technologies for interactive video
>> services
>> >
>> > /g
>> > On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:58:23 +0100, Jan Lindquist
>> <jan.lindquist@ericsson.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> The profile is not only about HTML5 but other W3c standards so it
>> >> would
>> be misleading to have HTML5 in the title. In the spirit of the IG how
>> about "web and TV profile". The name of the profile is not as critical
>> as knowing the breadth of the areas it should cover. This profile may
>> live for a while and it in the context of the industry attempt to
>> influence the work in W3C with a clear list of specs that are being  
>> used and how they may be used.
>> It will become a reference point by other standard groups. By using
>> the same name as the IG it can help see the relationship.
>> >> Regards,
>> >> JanL
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Vickers, Mark [mailto:Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com]
>> >>> Sent: den 7 februari 2012 15:24
>> >>> To: Giuseppe Pascale
>> >>> Cc: public-web-and-tv@w3.org WG
>> >>> Subject: Re: [profile] Profile spec title
>> >>>
>> >>> How about "HTML5 Video Services Profile"?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:26:40 +0100, Vickers, Mark
>> >>> <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> 5. Title: The goal for me is a profile of HTML5 for video
>> >>> services. There are two differences with "Web&TV Profile".
>> >>> >> - I want to include HTML5 in the title because this is
>> >>> HTML5-related
>> >>> >> and HTM5-centric
>> >>> >> - I don't like including "TV". This continues to cause
>> >>> confusion. It is clearer to describe an HTML5 profile for video
>> >>> services.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I don't have strong opinions on the title but I would note
>> >>> the following:
>> >>> > - A title should be short ( the subtitle explains a bit
>> >>> more what we are doing).
>> >>> > - I've tried to use the word "TV services" in the subtitle that
>> >>> > is hopefully a bit less confusing (or maybe not?). I have
>> >>> > defined this term as
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "For the purposes of this document a TV service is a
>> >>> commercial video service that may include elements of
>> >>> interactivity and that provides a coherent user experience.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > - while this profile is html5 based this is not only about
>> >>> html5. I'm not against highlighting the HTML5 centric approach but
>> >>> I wouldn't call this "an html5 profile".
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So in short: I'm fine with your comments but I cannot come
>> >>> up with a better title/subtitle. Suggestions are welcome.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > /g
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> See you on the call.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thanks,
>> >>> >> mav
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> One note: the zakim bridge is overbooked.
>> >>> >>> So just in case we see that people have problem dialing
>> >>> in (in such
>> >>> >>> case please login on IRC and let us know) I set-up this
>> >>> Opera bridge.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> NOTE: ONLY TO BE USED IF WE SEE THAT ZAKIM DOESN'T WORK
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Phone bridge details:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Conference ID:            33909
>> >>> >>> Start Date and Time:      Monday 06.02.2012 17:00:00 CET/CEST
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Bridge Numbers:
>> >>> >>> Norway                           +47 23 69 26 03
>> >>> >>> USA                                +1 800 201 4229 (Toll-Free)
>> >>> >>> Poland (Wroclaw)	        +48 71 719 6099
>> >>> >>> Poland (Warsaw)         	+48 22 262 0799
>> >>> >>> Japan                             +81 3 5435 8394
>> >>> >>> Russia				  +7 812 448 7876
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Conference Name:          tv profile
>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> >>> Please contact SysAdmin at +47 23 69 33 60 for assistance.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> /g
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:06:15 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>> >>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> Here the call details for todays call
>> >>> >>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Telco)
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> Schedule: Monday, 16:00Z (=8:00 Pacific, 11:00 Eastern, 17:00
>> >>> >>>> Europe, 01:00 Korea/Japan)
>> >>> >>>> Phone: US: +1 617 761 6200 or SIP: zakim@voip.w3.org
>> >>> >>>> Conference
>> >>> >>>> Code: 26632 IRC channel: #webtv
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> And here the Agenda for todays call:
>> >>> >>>>
>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Agenda_Telco_6/2/2012)
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> * Review of Charter
>> >>> >>>> (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile/Charter)
>> >>> >>>> * Call schedule
>> >>> >>>> * TF tools (http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Profile)
>> >>> >>>> * Process
>> >>> >>>> * Initial feedbacks on the draft
>> >>> >>>> (http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/tip/tvprofile/tv.html)
>> >>> >>>> * AOB
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> /g
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:00:59 +0100, Giuseppe Pascale
>> >>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >>> >>>>> the poll [1] is now closed and the winner is...
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Monday, February 6, 2012 4:00 PM - 5:00 PM UTC
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> In this first call we will discuss the scope of the TV
>> >>> profile work, how do we want the group to be organized and
>> >>> timeline (if any).
>> >>> >>>>> If you have any other topic you want to add to the
>> >>> agenda let me know.
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> I'll send around call details ASAP.
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> [1] http://doodle.com/h6rfnkrqyi3uinpi
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> --
>> >>> >>> Giuseppe Pascale
>> >>> >>> TV & Connected Devices
>> >>> >>> Opera Software
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Giuseppe Pascale
>> >>> > TV & Connected Devices
>> >>> > Opera Software
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Giuseppe Pascale
>> > TV & Connected Devices
>> > Opera Software
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-- 
Giuseppe Pascale
TV & Connected Devices
Opera Software
Received on Wednesday, 8 February 2012 08:27:56 UTC

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