Re: IG charter: status and schedule

Hi Giuseppe, Kaz,

Thank you for your suggestion.
I agree with you.

Regards,
Yosuke


On 2010/10/01, at 23:08, Giuseppe Pascale wrote:

> Hi Kazuyuki, all,
> I think adding a note to clarify that all these different services  
> are to be considered "TV" is fine.
> Chaals can you add this to the draft? (so we can check once again  
> how the overall text reads)
>
> I would also suggest not to focus too much on architectural  
> definitions.
> Understanding what "TV" in this context and the implication for the  
> "Web" is the aim of the IG,
> we don't need to discuss this in the charter.
>
> Is enough to have a flexible charter that allows us to have this  
> kind of discussions.
> And IMO the current one is flexible enough.
>
> thanks,
> Giuseppe
>
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:01:14 +0200, Kazuyuki Ashimura  
> <ashimura@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tatsuya and all,
>>
>> Thanks for your clarification, Tatsuya.
>>
>> I think we can easily add a note about:
>> [[
>> Video delivery services via IP network are also in scope of
>> the IG.
>> ]]
>>
>> Charles, Yosuke, Masahito and HJ, what do you think?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kazuyuki
>>
>>
>> On 10/01/2010 08:49 PM, Igarashi, Tatsuya wrote:
>>> Hi Kazuyuki,
>>>
>>> My suggest is just to include the definition of "TV services"  
>>> which are used in the draft of IG charter, but it is an ambiguous  
>>> term.
>>>
>>> I am not trying to reopen the issue about what is "TV", which was  
>>> argued in the Tokyo Shop. My point is that "TV service"(i.e. video  
>>> contents) could be delivered to the TV devices and TV like devices  
>>> via not only terrestrial/satellite/cable broadcasting but also the  
>>> Internet and managed telecom networks. I would like to clarify  
>>> that video delivery services via IP network are also in scope of  
>>> the IG by including the definition of "TV services".
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> -***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***--***---***--- 
>>> ***-
>>> Tatsuya Igarashi (Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
>>> NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
>>> Sony Corporation
>>> (Voice) +81-3-5435-3252 (Fax) +81-3-5435-3274
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Kazuyuki Ashimura [mailto:ashimura@w3.org]
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>> To: Igarashi, Tatsuya; 이현재
>>>> Cc: 'FUNAHASHI Yosuke'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
>>>> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
>>>> Subject: Re: IG charter: status and schedule
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tatsuya, HJ and all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry but may I ask you quick clarification?  Do you mean
>>>> we should clarify:
>>>> [[
>>>> What "TV (or TV service) means here within the charter?
>>>> ]]
>>>>
>>>> If you mean that, maybe we could do either of the following:
>>>> 1. simply change the title (of the group and the charter)
>>>>    "Web and Broadcasting"
>>>> 2. add brief explanation about what "TV" means here
>>>>    to the charter
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> # Maybe I'm missing something important???
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kazuyuki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/01/2010 02:31 PM, Igarashi, Tatsuya wrote:
>>>>> Hi HJ,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you. Using ambiguous generic terms tends to lead  
>>>>> confusion
>>>> in such cross-industrial and multi-cultural activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to believe that "TV services" means terrestrial  
>>>>> broadcasting
>>>> services.
>>>>> Nowadays, IPTV operators are promoting their services using "TV  
>>>>> services
>>>> " as the generic term.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is nice to describe major use cases as examples in the  
>>>>> chapter, however,
>>>> if the scope is clear, IG will discuss them. Also, potential  
>>>> participants
>>>> could be referred to the Tokyo Workshop outcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***--***---***--- 
>>>> ***-
>>>>> Tatsuya Igarashi (Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
>>>>> NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
>>>>> Sony Corporation
>>>>> (Voice) +81-3-5435-3252 (Fax) +81-3-5435-3274
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org
>>>>>> [mailto:public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of ???
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:56 AM
>>>>>> To: 'FUNAHASHI Yosuke'
>>>>>> Cc: 'Kazuyuki Ashimura'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
>>>>>> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: IG charter: status and schedule
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the scoping, we need to dive a little bit deeper than  
>>>>>> current general
>>>>>> term, in that I agree with Igarashi-san adding a few  
>>>>>> definitions and
>>>> major
>>>>>> usecases. This will definitely help potential participant  
>>>>>> understand
>>>> W3C
>>>>>> web and tv work scope. sometimes general term may lower  
>>>>>> industry interest
>>>>>> and be in danger of being neglected. We could open additional  
>>>>>> scope
>>>>>> possibilities while working though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> HJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> Sent: 없음
>>>>>> To: FUNAHASHI Yosuke; 이현재
>>>>>> Cc: 'Kazuyuki Ashimura'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
>>>>>> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: IG charter: status and schedule
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Funahashi-san and HyeonJae,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We share the view that video service over IP network is in- 
>>>>>> scope of this
>>>>>> IG, since participants of the workshop were interested in it.  
>>>>>> In terms
>>>> of
>>>>>> the priority issue, it is exactly what IG should discuss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no objection, I suggest just to describe the meaning of "TV  
>>>>>> services".
>>>>>> For example,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TV services means audio-visual contents delivery services via  
>>>>>> IP network
>>>>>> and out-of-band channel such as terrestrial/satellite/CABLE
>>>> broadcasting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> -***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***--***---***--- 
>>>> ***-
>>>>>> Tatsuya Igarashi (Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
>>>>>> NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
>>>>>> Sony Corporation
>>>>>> (Voice) +81-3-5435-3252 (Fax) +81-3-5435-3274
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of FUNAHASHI
>>>> Yosuke
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:53 PM
>>>>>>> To: 이현재
>>>>>>> Cc: 'Kazuyuki Ashimura'; 'Charles McCathieNevile';
>>>>>>> public-web-and-tv@w3.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IG charter: status and schedule
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi HyeonJae,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think IPTV telcos are interested in this activity.  The  
>>>>>>> reasons are
>>>>>>> 1) Open IPTV Forum, IPTV Forum Japan, Ericsson and NTT actively
>>>>>>> participated in the workshop, 2) one of the candidate chairs  
>>>>>>> Kawamori-
>>>>>>> san belongs to NTT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Above all, I would not like to exclude intentionally any  
>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>> service from our scope before the IG started or before our
>>>>>>> comprehensive examination about existing services.  This is a  
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> why I expressed my preference to keep the meaning of "the TV  
>>>>>>> services"
>>>>>>> and "Web and TV" somewhat abstract level in the reply to  
>>>>>>> Igarashi-
>>>>>>> san.  I know this abstractness has some risk in attracting
>>>>>>> "appropriate" organization in related domain.  But what is
>>>>>>> "appropriate" is also a vague notion for us now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Yosuke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010/09/30, at 12:08, 이현재 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome Igarashi san,
>>>>>>>> We could share TV makers voice with other industries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WebonTV Discussion at Tokyo has discussed wide range of  
>>>>>>>> spectrum as
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> listed.
>>>>>>>> I suggest IPTV service should be later discussed at W3C  
>>>>>>>> because IPTV
>>>>>>>> telco
>>>>>>>> is not as much interested in W3C as WebonTV participants.
>>>>>>>> "Video services via IP network" could be defined narrow and  
>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>> term as
>>>>>>>> online video distribution from contents providers such as  
>>>>>>>> Netflix,
>>>>>>>> Amazon,
>>>>>>>> Hulu and Broadcasters such as NHK, BBC, KBS, ZDF and possible  
>>>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>>> party
>>>>>>>> small individual/independent content providers via open  
>>>>>>>> unmanaged
>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>> to TV devices and TV-like devices like STB, Blu-Ray, etc.
>>>>>>>> By definition it could include managed IPTV too, however, as I
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>> earlier 1st priority at W3C will be open unmanaged internet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> HJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Sent: 없음
>>>>>>>> To: Kazuyuki Ashimura; FUNAHASHI Yosuke; Charles McCathieNevile
>>>>>>>> Cc: public-web-and-tv@w3.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: IG charter: status and schedule
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for drafting the IG charter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that we should clarify what "TV services" means in  
>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>>>> leading confusions.
>>>>>>>> I think that teleco's IPTV services and on-line services over  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>>> are in scope of the IG. If "TV services" means just video  
>>>>>>>> contents
>>>>>>>> delivery
>>>>>>>> via terrestrial/satellite/CABLE broadcast, i.e. out-of-band  
>>>>>>>> of IP,
>>>> we
>>>>>>>> should also describe "video services via IP network" as well  
>>>>>>>> as "TV
>>>>>>>> service".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any comment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> -***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***---***--***---***--- 
>>>> ***-
>>>>>>>> Tatsuya Igarashi (Tatsuya.Igarashi@jp.sony.com)
>>>>>>>> NS Development Dept. Technology Development Group
>>>>>>>> Sony Corporation
>>>>>>>> (Voice) +81-3-5435-3252 (Fax) +81-3-5435-3274
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:public-web-and-tv-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of  
>>>>>>>>> Kazuyuki
>>>>>>>>> Ashimura
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:55 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: FUNAHASHI Yosuke
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Charles McCathieNevile; public-web-and-tv@w3.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IG charter: status and schedule
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Yosuke,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's my bad it took 12 hours to install Charles'  
>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>>> draft...  Please refer to the updated draft charter [1] for  
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> detailed review.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/webTVIGcharter.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kazuyuki
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 09/30/2010 02:44 AM, FUNAHASHI Yosuke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose we need a little rule or discipline regarding the
>>>>>>>>>>> discussions on the IG in order for participants to carry  
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> attention to the ongoing process cooperatively. I think we  
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> explicitly show them the rule before they participate. I  
>>>>>>>>>>> do not
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> whether the charter is appropriate or not as the place  
>>>>>>>>>>> where we
>>>>>>>>>>> write
>>>>>>>>>>> down such matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh. You already included a comment about this topic in your  
>>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>>>> charter.
>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate your thoughtful update.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Yosuke
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Kazuyuki Ashimura / W3C Multimodal&   Voice Activity Lead
>>>>>>>>> mailto: ashimura@w3.org
>>>>>>>>> voice: +81.466.49.1170 / fax: +81.466.49.1171
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kazuyuki Ashimura / W3C Multimodal&  Voice Activity Lead
>>>> mailto: ashimura@w3.org
>>>> voice: +81.466.49.1170 / fax: +81.466.49.1171
>>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Giuseppe Pascale
> Linux Devices SDK
> Opera Software - Sweden
>

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