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RE: WCAG2ICT 2nd Public Draft

From: Crowell, Pierce <Pierce.Crowell@ssa.gov>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:47:57 -0500
To: "'Michael Cooper'" <cooper@w3.org>, "'David MacDonald'" <david100@sympatico.ca>
CC: "'Peter Korn'" <peter.korn@oracle.com>, "'Bailey, Bruce'" <Bailey@Access-Board.gov>, "'public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org'" <public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>, "'Judy Brewer'" <jbrewer@w3.org>
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We use the title attribute with our accordions.  ARIA isn’t necessary to accomplish this in a HTML valid and WCAG 2. complaint manner.  We can send examples if that is helpful.

From: Michael Cooper [mailto:cooper@w3.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:07 PM
To: David MacDonald
Cc: 'Peter Korn'; 'Bailey, Bruce'; public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org; 'Judy Brewer'
Subject: Re: WCAG2ICT 2nd Public Draft

Regarding expanding / collapsing sections in the document, short answer - at the very least, not for this round.

There has been an on-again off-again effort to modernize the style of W3C TR documents, and introducing expanding / collapsing suggestions is certainly something people want to do. But so far, these efforts haven't come to a level of maturity that they have been taken up as on TR publications.

Furthermore, to make it accessible, we'd have to use ARIA. The way W3C rules work, you can't use a spec as the DTD of a document in TR until that spec is a W3C Recommendation. So we're not allowed to use ARIA until that spec matures. The PFWG has been investigating exceptions to this rule but there isn't one in place yet.

I would not want to make WCAG2ICT a test case for either the style choice nor for the exception to allow ARIA in the spec. Particularly not when starting to explore the issue just a week before hoped publication. If this is something the TF really wants to do, we can explore it with greater lead-time for the next publication.

If you want to make changes to how Understanding content is included, we can explore that. But I wouldn't want to get into anything too radical on that either just before publication. It's also something the TF could explore with greater lead-time for the next publication.


David MacDonald wrote:
I totally support that, although perhaps the W3C document publishing requirements may be a hurdle. I’ve never seen an accordion widget on a w3C doc.

Judy or Michael?

David MacDonald

CanAdapt Solutions Inc.
  Adapting the web to all users
            Including those with disabilities

From: Peter Korn [mailto:peter.korn@oracle.com]
Sent: November-29-12 2:10 PM
To: Bailey, Bruce
Cc: public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org<mailto:public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Subject: Re: WCAG2ICT 2nd Public Draft

Bruce, gang,

Since our output is a web document, I wonder if we might have the text of the SCs and Intent in expanding/collapsing blocks, which by default are collapsed when we publish the document.  That way only "our" text is immediately visible, but the full content can be shown in context.


On 11/29/2012 5:51 AM, Bailey, Bruce wrote:
I respectfully request that we revisit the decision to have the full excerpts of the verbatim success criteria and Intent sections from the Understanding document.  It really makes it hard to digest our “value added” work.  Closely tracking Intent was important to the process, but as part of our final deliverable, it is quite counterproductive IMHO.

That said, this exercise makes the case that this sort of stand-alone version of Understanding WCAG 2.0, which is limited to only Intent, would be a valuable addition to the WAI document collection.

From: Andi Snow-Weaver [mailto:andisnow@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:14 PM
To: public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org<mailto:public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
Subject: WCAG2ICT 2nd Public Draft

The editors are still reviewing the draft but it's good enough for you all to start looking at it.


I'll send out a survey early tomorrow where you can put your comments.


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