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Re: WCAG2ICT 2nd Public Draft

From: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:06:36 -0500
Message-ID: <50B7CE5C.10002@w3.org>
To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
CC: 'Peter Korn' <peter.korn@oracle.com>, "'Bailey, Bruce'" <Bailey@Access-Board.gov>, public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org, 'Judy Brewer' <jbrewer@w3.org>
Regarding expanding / collapsing sections in the document, short answer
- at the very least, not for this round.

There has been an on-again off-again effort to modernize the style of
W3C TR documents, and introducing expanding / collapsing suggestions is
certainly something people want to do. But so far, these efforts haven't
come to a level of maturity that they have been taken up as on TR
publications.

Furthermore, to make it accessible, we'd have to use ARIA. The way W3C
rules work, you can't use a spec as the DTD of a document in TR until
that spec is a W3C Recommendation. So we're not allowed to use ARIA
until that spec matures. The PFWG has been investigating exceptions to
this rule but there isn't one in place yet.

I would not want to make WCAG2ICT a test case for either the style
choice nor for the exception to allow ARIA in the spec. Particularly not
when starting to explore the issue just a week before hoped publication.
If this is something the TF really wants to do, we can explore it with
greater lead-time for the next publication.

If you want to make changes to how Understanding content is included, we
can explore that. But I wouldn't want to get into anything too radical
on that either just before publication. It's also something the TF could
explore with greater lead-time for the next publication.

Michael

David MacDonald wrote:
>
> I totally support that, although perhaps the W3C document publishing
> requirements may be a hurdle. I’ve never seen an accordion widget on a
> w3C doc.
>
>  
>
> Judy or Michael?
>
>  
>
> Cheers
>
> David MacDonald
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> *From:* Peter Korn [mailto:peter.korn@oracle.com]
> *Sent:* November-29-12 2:10 PM
> *To:* Bailey, Bruce
> *Cc:* public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: WCAG2ICT 2nd Public Draft
>
>  
>
> Bruce, gang,
>
> Since our output is a web document, I wonder if we might have the text
> of the SCs and Intent in expanding/collapsing blocks, which by default
> are collapsed when we publish the document.  That way only "our" text
> is immediately visible, but the full content can be shown in context.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> On 11/29/2012 5:51 AM, Bailey, Bruce wrote:
>
>     I respectfully request that we revisit the decision to have the
>     full excerpts of the verbatim success criteria and Intent sections
>     from the Understanding document.  It really makes it hard to
>     digest our “value added” work.  Closely tracking Intent was
>     important to the process, but as part of our final deliverable, it
>     is quite counterproductive IMHO.
>
>      
>
>     That said, this exercise makes the case that this sort of
>     stand-alone version of Understanding WCAG 2.0, which is limited to
>     only Intent, would be a valuable addition to the WAI document
>     collection.
>
>      
>
>     *From:* Andi Snow-Weaver [mailto:andisnow@us.ibm.com]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:14 PM
>     *To:* public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org <mailto:public-wcag2ict-tf@w3.org>
>     *Subject:* WCAG2ICT 2nd Public Draft
>
>      
>
>     The editors are still reviewing the draft but it's good enough for
>     you all to start looking at it.
>
>     www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2012/WD-wcag2ict-20121126/
>     <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2012/WD-wcag2ict-20121126/>
>
>     I'll send out a survey early tomorrow where you can put your comments.
>
>     Andi
>
>  
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