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Re: proposed definition for "website"

From: Elle <nethermind@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:42:32 -0500
Message-ID: <CAJ=fddP+N=9CozQJ+j+jbnvcZ1FpNENnprwtebt-v_RrQcE0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>
Cc: public-wai-evaltf@w3.org
Detlev:

Does this mean we would theoretically have a full set and a sub set for the
methodology?



Thanks,
Elle



On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de> wrote:

> Hi Don, hi list,
>
> I agree that the evaluation of portlets is an important use case. It
> raises the issue to what extent the methodology would support an evaluation
> based on a subset of WCAG success criteria.
>
> Just to be clear: I think a proper conformance statement can only be made
> on the level of the full web page. The testing of a number of success
> criteria depends not only on the assessment of the full page (as for most
> SC within principle 2: Operable), but beyond that, on the page *context*,
> as in 2.4.5 Multiple Ways, 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation, and 3.2.4
> Consistent Identification. And some success criteria (or subsets thereof,
> such as 1.3.1: headings) may or may not apply on the level of
> portlet-generated code fragment, depending on the approach. For example, in
> an HTML 5 context, the headings hierarchy may be generated from the nesting
> of fragments so having all portals use h1 might be fine.
>
> Having said that, it is clearly useful to be able to evaluate portlets or
> other code framents (whatever way they are generated) with an applicable
> subset of WCAG Success Criteria. This would give organizations a means to
> measure the degree of conformance on a unit level long before a final
> conformance claim or test. The full conformance statement would then only
> be made on the level of the portal page.
>
> How much of the methodology is actually useful for a selective evaluation
> based on a subset of WCAG success criteria needs to be carefully looked at.
>
> Regards,
> Detlev
>
>
> e.g. Quoting Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>:
>
>
>  Hi Don,
>>
>> I would say that this depends on what the scope of the evaluation is,
>> which needs to be clearly stated in the conformance statement/report.
>>
>> It could make sense to have each portlet evaluated separately, though
>> this would not include the main portal entry page and similarly pages that
>> belong to the portal but are not specific to individual portals.
>>
>> Actually, I think this is an important use-case for us to consider.
>>
>> Best,
>>  Shadi
>>
>>
>> On 3.2.2012 17:40, Don Raikes wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Maybe I have missed a  discussion of this topic since I just joined the
>>> group, but what about a portal-style site?
>>>
>>> What if one or more portlets on the site are accessible, but the
>>> container portal page has some accessibility issues how do we handle this?
>>>  Also what about the fact that some portlets are accessible and others are
>>> not? Do we consider each portlet a website since it is a self-contained web
>>> application?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Shadi Abou-Zahra [mailto:shadi@w3.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:38 AM
>>> To: Eval TF
>>> Subject: proposed definition for "website"
>>>
>>> Dear Eval TF,
>>>
>>> Yesterday I took an action to propose a new definition for "website" *in
>>> the context of this document*. Currently the document says:
>>>
>>> [[ http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/**methodology/#website<http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/#website>
>>> Website - A coherent collection of one or more related web pages that
>>> together provide common use or functionality. It includes static web pages,
>>> dynamically generated web pages, and web applications.
>>> ]]
>>>
>>>
>>> I propose we add the following text to this definition:
>>>
>>> [[
>>> Websites are generally self-enclosed entities with key resources such as
>>> a homepage, login page, or other entry pages; help pages; sitemap; and
>>> contact information. Web pages within a website typically have a common
>>> design ("look and feel") and navigational structures. Examples of websites
>>> in the context of this document include:
>>>  - Self-enclosed web appearances owned or provided by organizations;
>>>  - Self-enclosed sections of websites (sometimes referred to as
>>> "sub-sites"), such as these of departments within organizations;
>>>  - Self-enclosed web applications and other web-based products.
>>>
>>> Arbitrary selections of individual web pages, especially those that do
>>> not include complete processes, are not regarded as websites.
>>>
>>> Note: Selections of individual web pages that are not regarded as
>>> websites may claim conformance to WCAG, but the evaluation of such
>>> collections is outside the scope of this methodology.
>>> ]]
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your reactions!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>   Shadi
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/**shadi/<http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/>Activity Lead, W3C/WAI International Program Office Evaluation and Repair
>>> Tools Working Group (ERT WG) Research and Development Working Group (RDWG)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/**shadi/<http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/>
>> Activity Lead, W3C/WAI International Program Office
>> Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)
>> Research and Development Working Group (RDWG)
>>
>>
>>
>
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