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Comment #24 - Evaluating Templates with no content

From: Vivienne CONWAY <v.conway@ecu.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:55:07 +0800
To: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>, Eval TF <public-wai-evaltf@w3.org>
CC: Eric Velleman <E.Velleman@bartimeus.nl>
Message-ID: <8AFA77741B11DB47B24131F1E38227A9CAB0E4CA58@XCHG-MS1.ads.ecu.edu.au>
Hi all
I thought I'd try to address some ideas about templates with no content.

In comment #24, Detlev mentioned that he "did not see how one woudl evaluate the template on its own, instead of a particular instance with all content rendered as web page."

I've just been asked to evaluate a set of templates before they have content added so that the developer can check the accessibility of them before content is added and might have to be removed again for a re-do of the page.  This does happen quite a lot, and we are also asked to have our user testers look at sets of templates before content is added as well.

I think that as we're continually advocating that accessibility should involved early in the development of websites, and then at every stage of the life cycle of the website, we should see this as a good thing.  A developer designs a template for the client, and then makes sure that this template is accessible.

My only concern is that this may not really relate to the methodology as we're talking about complete websites, and not single pages or templates.  However, we are pitching the methodology as being relevant for developers etc. also.  Any thoughts?


Vivienne L. Conway, B.IT(Hons), MACS CT, AALIA(cs)
PhD Candidate & Sessional Lecturer, Edith Cowan University, Perth, W.A.
Director, Web Key IT Pty Ltd.
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From: Shadi Abou-Zahra [shadi@w3.org]
Sent: Monday, 20 August 2012 6:34 PM
To: Eval TF
Cc: Eric Velleman
Subject: [important] closed and open comments with actions

Dear Eval TF,

As a recap, please see the following actions for this week:

# Comments from Public Review (WD 27 March)
  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/comments>
  - There were no comments on this disposition of comments from Eval TF
in the survey of 7 August 2012; All comments have been closed now.
  - *ACTION:* Let us know immediately if you have objections.

# Comments from Eval TF Review (ED 30 July)
  - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/comments-20120730>
  - Proposed resolutions available are for your review for all comments
except #24, #29, and #30, and an on-going discussion on comment #32.
  - *ACTION:* Review this disposition of comments by _today_.

# Comments from WCAG WG Review (ED 30 July)
  - <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2012Aug/0034>
  - Editors working on proposed resolutions for these comments; let us
know any comments or thoughts you may have on it as well.
  - *ACTION:* Read the WCAG WG comments before the next call.


Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
Activity Lead, W3C/WAI International Program Office
Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)
Research and Development Working Group (RDWG)

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