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RE: Superseded warning on 2005 Process Document

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:56:43 +0000
To: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>, "Charles McCathie Nevile (chaals@yandex-team.ru)" <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
CC: "public-w3process@w3.org" <public-w3process@w3.org>, Ian Jacobs <IJ@w3.org>
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Thank for you making this change.  The replacement text is MUCH better representation of the current status.

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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From: Jeff Jaffe [mailto:jeff@w3.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:45 PM
To: Paul Cotton; Charles McCathie Nevile (chaals@yandex-team.ru)
Cc: public-w3process@w3.org; Ian Jacobs
Subject: Re: Superseded warning on 2005 Process Document

Paul,

Great comment.  We now say:



"On 1 August 2014, W3C began a transition away from this document; see the current W3C Process Document."
Hopefully that addresses your issue.

Jeff
On 4/9/2015 2:30 PM, Paul Cotton wrote:
The 2005 Process Document now contains the following warning:
http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/
World Wide Web Consortium Process Document
14 October 2005

This document has been superseded. Please see the most recent version<http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/>.
Given the large number of W3C specifications that continue to be processed under the 2005 Process Document I find the word "superseded" too strong and misleading.

BTW a common Web dictionary [1] defines "supersede" as meaning "to set aside or cause to be set aside as void, useless, or obsolete, usually in favor of something mentioned; make obsolete.  The 2005 Process Document is not yet "useless" or "obsolete".  In fact the notification of the membership of the new Process 2014 document makes it very clear in which cases the 2005 Process  document is still in effect:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2014JanMar/0104.html  (member only link)

BTW I know that this same warning occurs in older Process Documents where I believe it is appropriate.
http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/

I would like to suggest that the note in the 2005 Process Document be changed to the following:

"The W3C is transitioning away from this document to a more recent version<http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/>."

Note that I was going to try to predict when the 2005 Process would actually be "superseded" but the complex 5 cases described in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-forum/2014JanMar/0104.html  (member only link) make this too difficult to do.

/paulc
HTML WG co-chair

[1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/superseded

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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