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RE: Voting experiment

From: GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.Galindo@gemalto.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:17:08 +0000
To: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, "public-w3process@w3.org" <public-w3process@w3.org>, "Nottingham, Mark" <mnotting@akamai.com>, "Jeff Jaffe" <jeff@w3.org>
Message-ID: <540E99C53248CE468F6F7702588ABA2AC7304B5F@A1GTOEMBXV002.gto.a3c.atos.net>
Hi all,
I have tried to capture the explanation and clarification of this experiment here https://www.w3.org/wiki/AB/STV_experiment

Please complete...
Regards,
Virginie

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCathie Nevile [mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru]
Sent: mardi 22 juillet 2014 08:24
To: Nottingham, Mark; Jeff Jaffe
Cc: public-w3process@w3.org
Subject: Re: Voting experiment

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 03:18:30 +0200, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org> wrote:

>
> On 7/9/2014 7:16 PM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:12:18 +0200, Nottingham, Mark
>> <mnotting@akamai.com> wrote:
>>
>>> LGTM.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>> The most important thing will be to explain the context here in an
>>> easy-to-digest, concise manner, so that people are motivated to do
>>> both.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> Before we take this to the AB for approval, it would be good to know
> who will create this explanation.  It probably should be someone with
> a deep understanding of these voting systems, who is also passionate
> about the experiment.

I nominate Mark Nottingham.

But in case he has more important work, I will volunteer as a backup.

Cheers

Chaals

>> cheers
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 Jul 2014, at 6:04 am, Charles McCathie Nevile
>>> <chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> I have an outstanding action item from the AB to propose a voting
>>>> experiment that could be considered for running as part of
>>>> elections (eg.
>>>> TAG/AB elections).
>>>>
>>>> My strawman proposal:
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of the experiment is to enable W3C Team to gather data
>>>> on whether a different voting system to our current "Multiple
>>>> Non-Transferable Vote" system would change the outcome of
>>>> elections, and in particular, in ways that might make elected
>>>> groups more broadly representative of the voters.
>
> At the AB discussion, we also discussed how long we should run this
> experiment for.  My recollection was 3 elections.  Is that your
> recommendation?
>
>>>>
>>>> In elections for the AB and TAG, we provide a ballot that offers
>>>> two ways to vote.
>>>>
>>>> 1. The current system - you select up to the number of seats
>>>> available, from the candidates running.
>>>> This would be the binding vote - unless we change the process we
>>>> can't change that anyway.
>>>>
>>>> 2. You can rank as few or as many candidates, plus the option "no
>>>> (other)
>>>> candidate". as you want, in preference order.
>>>>
>>>> 1 indicates your most preferred candidate. Giving two or more
>>>> candidates an equal rank is a rational statement, and results
>>>> should be calculated accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> A completed ballot for 3 seats with 6 candidates could be like:
>>>>
>>>> check         Candidate name        Preference
>>>> up to 3                             order
>>>> [ ]            Alice                   [1]
>>>> [X]            Byron                   [2]
>>>> [ ]            Charlie                 [ ]
>>>> [ ]            Daniels                 [3]
>>>> [X]            Elliott                 [4]
>>>> [ ]            Franklin                [ ]
>>>>                No (other) Candidate    [5]
>>>>
>>>> (In a real vote, the order of names should be randomised. Not that
>>>> we do that now).
>>>>
>>>> A vote for "No (other) candidate" [0] would be considered a vote
>>>> for a hypothetical alternative instead of a vote being "exhausted"
>>>> (as happens if all the candidates voted for by a single voter have
>>>> been determined as elected or not before the completion of
>>>> counting). A candidate beaten by the hypothetical alternative would
>>>> not be considered elected.
>>>>
>>>> The results of this ranking can be used to asses the results we
>>>> would get by using simple "Single Transferable Vote" [1], "Schulze
>>>> STV" [2].
>>>> There
>>>> are several ways to use votes as indicative of likely results from
>>>> "Approval Voting" [3], although they are less reliable than the
>>>> other information we would get from the survey.
>
> Given that the Team needs to tabulate these results, it would be
> useful if there were available open source software to use for each of
> these schemes.  Do you know of any?  I assume that manual tabulation
> will be quite tedious.
>
>>>>
>>>> In addition we can use the first preference to approximate the
>>>> results we would get using "single non-transferable voting" [4]
>>>> (where each voter can only vote for one candidate).
>>>>
>>>> I note that if we used preference ranking for other votes, we would
>>>> also be able to look at the effect of systems explicitly designed
>>>> to rank outcomes, such as STV or Schulze STV. However this proposal
>>>> neither requires nor prohibits doing do.
>>>>
>>>> [0] This is related to
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_the_above

>>>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

>>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_STV

>>>> [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting

>>>> [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Non-Transferable_Vote

>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> Chaals
>>>>
>>>> -- Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>> chaals@yandex-team.ru         Find more at http://yandex.com

>>>>
>>>
>>> -- Mark Nottingham    mnot@akamai.com    https://www.mnot.net/

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


--
Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
chaals@yandex-team.ru         Find more at http://yandex.com


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