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Re: Expected value for the author property

From: David Deering <david@touchpointdigital.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:08:02 -0500
Message-ID: <532C47C2.8030402@touchpointdigital.net>
To: public-vocabs@w3.org
I see.  Thank you all.  I guess it never registered before, since I have 
always seen the author property declared simply with text.  The 
definition sort of threw me off, too.  So thank you Phil, Evgeniy, 
Aaron, and Laura for the clarification and information.

So taking Evgeniy's example, would this work to both declare the 
author's name and URL as well as for the sake of Google authorship?:

        <div itemprop="author" itemscope 
itemtype="http://schema.org/Person">
         <span itemprop="name"><a 
href="https://plus.google.com/XXXXXX?rel=author" itemprop="url">Author's 
Name</a></span>
        </div>

It seems to work when tested, but of course the testing tool does not 
generate messages for every type of error.

Thanks again for everyone's input and help.

David


On 3/21/2014 8:45 AM, Laura Dawson wrote:
> Also consider http://isni.org (these can be rendered as http URIs, 
> e.g. http://isni.org/isni/0000000410295439), as well as 
> http://orcid.org (which can be rendered similarly - 
> http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9648-1782)
>
> From: Aaron Bradley <aaranged@gmail.com <mailto:aaranged@gmail.com>>
> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 at 9:25 AM
> To: Chilly Bang <chilly_bang@yahoo.de <mailto:chilly_bang@yahoo.de>>
> Cc: David Deering <david@touchpointdigital.net 
> <mailto:david@touchpointdigital.net>>, "public-vocabs@w3.org 
> <mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>" <public-vocabs@w3.org 
> <mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: Expected value for the author property
> Resent-From: <public-vocabs@w3.org <mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>>
> Resent-Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 at 9:25 AM
>
> Further to Phil's point, you'll find this in the "Expected types, 
> text, and URLs" section of the schema.org <http://schema.org> 
> documentation [1]:
>
> When browsing the schema.org <http://schema.org> types, you will 
> notice that many properties have "expected types". This means that the 
> value of the property can itself be an embedded item (see section 1d: 
> embedded items). But this is not a requirement---it's fine to include 
> just regular text or a URL.
>
> [1] http://schema.org/docs/gs.html#schemaorg_expected
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Chilly Bang <chilly_bang@yahoo.de 
> <mailto:chilly_bang@yahoo.de>> wrote:
>
>     Hi
>     Google wants to get from the web document a verifiable entities,
>     so you is you want to provide any author information, you are free
>     to use a set of author's properties like Person and Organization
>     and rel="author" and itemprop="sameAs", which can be putted
>     together in any combination. E.g. something like:
>
>     <div itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person>
>
>     <span itemprop="url">https://www.google.com/+exampleperson</span>
>     <link rel="author" href="https://www.freebase.com/m/0_xxxx" />
>     <span itemprop="sameAs">http://about.me/exampleperson</span>
>
>     </div>
>
>
>     greets
>     Evgeniy
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *Von:* David Deering <david@touchpointdigital.net
>     <mailto:david@touchpointdigital.net>>
>     *An:* public-vocabs@w3.org <mailto:public-vocabs@w3.org>
>     *Gesendet:* 2:06 Freitag, 21.März 2014
>     *Betreff:* Expected value for the author property
>
>     Maybe this is an oversight on my part that I didn't notice it
>     before this week or maybe this is a recent change, but I noticed
>     that on the schema.org/Review <http://schema.org/Review> page as
>     well as on other pages, the expected value for the author property
>     is Person or Organization. For a long time, the author's name was
>     simply declared with text, and the examples that exist on
>     schema.org <http://schema.org> as well as in Google's rich snippet
>     guidelines all show the value of the author property as text.  So
>     is this a new standard, and when using the author property, is the
>     expected value now a Person or Organization? And will declaring
>     the author simply with text no longer suffice?
>
>     Also interesting is the author property's definition: /The author
>     of this content. Please note that author is special in that HTML 5
>     provides a special mechanism for indicating authorship via the rel
>     tag. That is equivalent to this and may be used interchangeably./ 
>     If I understand this correctly, it would seem that this is stating
>     that the author could be declared by using the rel=author tag. 
>     But could someone please explain this definition a little more as
>     well as how the author property could/should be declared moving
>     forward, either with or without the rel tag?  Maybe some examples
>     would be nice.  :-)
>
>     Thanks in advance.
>
>     David
>
>
>
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