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Re: Citation markup with Periodical proposal

From: Wallis,Richard <Richard.Wallis@oclc.org>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:58:01 +0000
To: "Wallis,Richard" <Richard.Wallis@oclc.org>
CC: Dan Scott <dan@coffeecode.net>, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>, Niklas Lindström <lindstream@gmail.com>, "<public-vocabs@w3.org>" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
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An example for “An article citation in MLA format, using a 'flat' approach that simplifies markup by not specifying an explicit relationship between the periodical, volume, and issue” has now been added to the proposal document here<https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Periodicals,_Articles_and_Multi-volume_Works#Example_3_-_An_article_citation_in_MLA_format.2C_using_a_.27flat.27_markup_approach>.


On 9 Apr 2014, at 14:50, Wallis,Richard <Richard.Wallis@oclc.org<mailto:Richard.Wallis@oclc.org>> wrote:

Coming out of a day of wall-2-wall meetings to find this list has made the points I was going to make and formed a general consensus is great!

So all I can add is, support to Dan’s earlier comment that the SchemaBibex "proposal slants toward hierarchical markup” yet "At the same time, we can also support quite flat markup" - “ ..the proposal fills a significant gap in the schema.org<http://schema.org/> vocabulary.”

Plus I acknowledge that the examples in the proposal are lacking one that demonstrates this flat approach.

I will work with Dan to get such an example added to the proposal and also take this into account when we add to the SchemaBibEx Recipes and Guidelines<https://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Recipes_and_Guidelines> section, once it has been adopted

Thanks to Karen for raising this and to all who contributed.


On 9 Apr 2014, at 14:14, Dan Scott <dan@coffeecode.net<mailto:dan@coffeecode.net>> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 07:48:56PM +0200, Karen Coyle wrote:
Thanks, Niklas and Dan and Adrian.

Niklas, yours is a successful version of something that I tried unsuccessfully - nesting all of the periodical "parts" in between article properties. The turtle makes sense to me, even though the RDFa is hard to grasp (but then, I'm not a machine).

Dan, I couldn't turtle-ize yours, and the rich snippet tool appears to be flaky and wouldn't spit out the pages section. It may be equivalent to Niklas' - I have no idea. Sorry.

My fault: I'm much better at RDFa than I am at microdata; I should have
prefixed http://schema.org/ to the PublicationVolume / PublicationIssue
types in my microdata example. At least that works as I meant it to in
http://linter.structured-data.org<http://linter.structured-data.org/> and
http://rdf.greggkellogg.net/distiller (and by the way, Gregg, you rock
for providing both of those services!)

In any case, the core difference between Niklas's and my example is that
I did not include any nesting, because I thought flat was what you were
asking for. And yes, the Rich Snippet Tool is well-known for dropping
properties that it doesn't recognize (it complains about isPartOf and
presumably can't be bothered to complain about pageStart / pageEnd).

Let's get this proposal adopted and put the Rich Snippet Tool to work!
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