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Re: Socialnetworks of a person or organization

From: Jason Douglas <jasondouglas@google.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 15:27:19 +0000
Message-ID: <CAEiKvUC1wTmBGyk34md1XSFK-ZEzL9Vx2uCJO=H0Zd+5G5aKZw@mail.gmail.com>
To: David Deering <david@touchpointdigital.net>, public-vocabs@w3.org
Adding to that... if the claim is that authorship or control should be
verified out of band, then one of the common mechanisms for doing that is
bi-directional links.  If we lump everything under sameAs, we could end up
with bidirectional links for both the Wikipedia page and the Facebook
profile.

On Wed Apr 09 2014 at 8:24:31 AM, Jason Douglas <jasondouglas@google.com>
wrote:

> -1  There's a difference between reference pages *about* the same entity
> and pages authored/controlled *by* the same entity.
>
> On Wed Apr 09 2014 at 8:18:36 AM, David Deering <
> david@touchpointdigital.net> wrote:
>
>>  Sounds good to me, Dan.  It would make things simpler and cleaner.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2014 10:11 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
>>
>> Revisiting this and the recent socialAccount thread,http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Apr/0046.html
>>
>> There seems to be broad agreement that it would be good for schema.org
>> to recommend a pattern for marking up links to (broadly) social
>> network profile pages, e.g. Twitter. However a few people have raised
>> the concern that adding another property will add more confusion
>> around existing options, particularly 'url' and 'sameAs'.
>>
>> Therefore, a minimalistic revised proposal: that we address this
>> scenario using 'sameAs' directly.
>>
>> I suggest http://schema.org/sameAs
>> "URL of a reference Web page that unambiguously indicates the item's
>> identity. E.g. the URL of the item's Wikipedia page, Freebase page, or
>> official website." therefore becomes
>> "URL of a reference Web page that unambiguously indicates the item's
>> identity. E.g. the URL of the item's Wikipedia page, Freebase page, a
>> profile page on a social site, or official website."
>>
>> We should also add examples at least for Person, Organization and
>> MusicGroup to illustrate this.
>>
>> Following the example in the wiki athttps://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/SocialAccountProperty the usage
>> then would be something like:
>>
>> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Person" <http://schema.org/Person>>
>> <span itemprop="name">Stephen Fry</span>
>>     (<a itemprop="url" href="http://www.stephenfry.com/" <http://www.stephenfry.com/>>stephenfry.com</a>,
>>      <a itemprop="sameAs" href="http://twitter.com/stephenfry" <http://twitter.com/stephenfry>>twitter</a>,
>> <a itemprop="sameAs"
>> href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry" <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry>>wikipedia</a>)
>> </div>
>>
>> This has the advantage of not requiring the (endlessly evolving and
>> slippery) notion of 'social' to be defined. Or 'account' for that
>> matter. It removes some worry for publishers, "am I using
>> 'socialAccount' when I should be using 'sameAs' or vice-versa?). It
>> carries a little less meaning, but not a lot. Someone writing an app
>> to find twitter links will know just what they need to do. If your
>> goal is to sort 'social' from 'other kinds of authority page', you'll
>> need out-of-band information of some kind. But that was likely also
>> going to be the case even if we added a new property 'socialAccount'.
>>
>> How does this sound?
>>
>> Dan
>>   (sameAs <http://twitter.com/danbri/> <http://twitter.com/danbri/>)
>>
>> p.s. just a reminder, schema.org's notion of sameAs allows for
>> identity reference pages as values, e.g. hints for entity
>> identification. It does not mean 'numerical identity', i.e.
>> self-same-thing; for that you could use owl:sameAs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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