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Re: Socialnetworks of a person or organization

From: <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 17:53:00 +0200
Cc: David Deering <david@touchpointdigital.net>, W3C Web Schemas Task Force <public-vocabs@w3.org>
Message-Id: <4E3CF0DC-CF08-413F-9484-2EDFFCC0B309@ebusiness-unibw.org>
To: Jason Douglas <jasondouglas@google.com>
I think that Dan's rationale is, and I support that, that we can assume that someone using the Wikipedia / Freebase URI of a page about an entity typically means the entity, not the page.

So we take the URI of the Wikipedia page about John Lennon as an identifier for John Lennon.

I think we can leave the rathole of solving the disambiguation problem between an entity and a representation of the entity out of the level of data representation, and the whole HttpRange-14 [1] problem behind, and assume that the clients consuming data will be able to make that distinction from contextual information and other signals.
Best

Martin

[1] https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/14


On 09 Apr 2014, at 17:27, Jason Douglas <jasondouglas@google.com> wrote:

> Adding to that... if the claim is that authorship or control should be verified out of band, then one of the common mechanisms for doing that is bi-directional links.  If we lump everything under sameAs, we could end up with bidirectional links for both the Wikipedia page and the Facebook profile.
> 
> On Wed Apr 09 2014 at 8:24:31 AM, Jason Douglas <jasondouglas@google.com> wrote:
> -1  There's a difference between reference pages *about* the same entity and pages authored/controlled *by* the same entity.
> 
> On Wed Apr 09 2014 at 8:18:36 AM, David Deering <david@touchpointdigital.net> wrote:
> Sounds good to me, Dan.  It would make things simpler and cleaner.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/9/2014 10:11 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
>> Revisiting this and the recent socialAccount thread,
>> 
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Apr/0046.html
>> 
>> 
>> There seems to be broad agreement that it would be good for 
>> schema.org
>> 
>> to recommend a pattern for marking up links to (broadly) social
>> network profile pages, e.g. Twitter. However a few people have raised
>> the concern that adding another property will add more confusion
>> around existing options, particularly 'url' and 'sameAs'.
>> 
>> Therefore, a minimalistic revised proposal: that we address this
>> scenario using 'sameAs' directly.
>> 
>> I suggest 
>> http://schema.org/sameAs
>> 
>> "URL of a reference Web page that unambiguously indicates the item's
>> identity. E.g. the URL of the item's Wikipedia page, Freebase page, or
>> official website." therefore becomes
>> "URL of a reference Web page that unambiguously indicates the item's
>> identity. E.g. the URL of the item's Wikipedia page, Freebase page, a
>> profile page on a social site, or official website."
>> 
>> We should also add examples at least for Person, Organization and
>> MusicGroup to illustrate this.
>> 
>> Following the example in the wiki at
>> 
>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/SocialAccountProperty
>>  the usage
>> then would be something like:
>> 
>> <div itemscope itemtype=
>> "http://schema.org/Person"
>> >
>> <span itemprop="name">Stephen Fry</span>
>>     (<a itemprop="url" href=
>> "http://www.stephenfry.com/">stephenfry.com
>> </a>,
>>      <a itemprop="sameAs" href=
>> "http://twitter.com/stephenfry"
>> >twitter</a>,
>> <a itemprop="sameAs"
>> href=
>> "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry">wikipedia</
>> a>)
>> </div>
>> 
>> This has the advantage of not requiring the (endlessly evolving and
>> slippery) notion of 'social' to be defined. Or 'account' for that
>> matter. It removes some worry for publishers, "am I using
>> 'socialAccount' when I should be using 'sameAs' or vice-versa?). It
>> carries a little less meaning, but not a lot. Someone writing an app
>> to find twitter links will know just what they need to do. If your
>> goal is to sort 'social' from 'other kinds of authority page', you'll
>> need out-of-band information of some kind. But that was likely also
>> going to be the case even if we added a new property 'socialAccount'.
>> 
>> How does this sound?
>> 
>> Dan
>>   (sameAs 
>> <http://twitter.com/danbri/>
>> )
>> 
>> p.s. just a reminder, 
>> schema.org
>> 's notion of sameAs allows for
>> identity reference pages as values, e.g. hints for entity
>> identification. It does not mean 'numerical identity', i.e.
>> self-same-thing; for that you could use owl:sameAs.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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