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Re: SKOS for schema.org proposal for discussion

From: Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@unibw.de>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:17:30 +0200
Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org
Message-Id: <C880A083-090B-419D-8174-09BFC3BB94D7@unibw.de>
To: kcoyle@kcoyle.net
>  However, do you think that those users see these categories as something called name "Concept"? I still think that most users are thinking of finite, controlled lists, and "Concept" doesn't say that.

Simple answer:
If the big search engines tell site owners to use EnumConcept for that, they will understand it ;-)

No need to teach them the proper terminology from the KOS and Library Science communities. Such would be persuing two goals at a time ;-)


> SKOS used concept because of its KOS bent. A schema.org re-use of SKOS's structure could use terminology more suited to its community.

But schema.org's new element is also very generic in nature - allowing sites of any industry or field to make categories and topics first-class citizens so that they can expose

1. relationships between categories and properties of categories (hierarchy, translations, definitions, images, videos, ...)
2. relationships between other items and the categories


Martin

On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:

> 
> kc
> 
> On 10/9/13 8:54 AM, Guha wrote:
>> Great example Martin.
>> 
>> guha
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Martin Hepp
>> <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
>> <mailto:martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>    A very simple use-case that we frequently face in e-commerce:
>> 
>>    Sites do have category information (sometimes even based on standard
>>    categories), but they are unable to include the authoritative URI of
>>    that category in the page markup, e.g. because it is simply not in
>>    their back-end database or because there is no simple translation
>>    from what they have in their database to the URI.
>> 
>>    A typical case are shop categories. Sites often do have a notion of
>>    product category, and even an hierarchical ordering, but they are
>>    unable to match that to the URIs of respective standards with
>>    reasonable effort.
>> 
>>    Having a SKOS-like mechanism in schema.org <http://schema.org>
>>    allows a site to expose its proprietary hierarchy and preserve the
>>    links from products to it. A search engine or other client can then
>>    try to consolidate categories across sites at consumption time.
>> 
>>    Let site owners expose as much data structure and semantics as they
>>    have available, but do not force them to lift the data to ideal
>>    heights... ;-)
>> 
>>    Martin
>> 
>>    On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Ed Summers wrote:
>> 
>>     > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com
>>    <mailto:danbri@google.com>> wrote:
>>     >> ... in many many cases URLs can be used, ... but sometimes the thing
>>     >> we point to can also be usefully described inline too, with further
>>     >> properties and relationships. 'URL' is very very vague and doesn't
>>     >> address the inline description possibility.
>>     >
>>     > Thanks Dan. I guess I'm failing to imagine a scenario where someone
>>     > who was describing a job posting would want to describe an
>>     > occupational category inline and relate it to other occupational
>>     > categories (broader, narrower, etc), or make other skos like
>>     > assertions.
>>     >
>>     > //Ed
>>     >
>> 
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