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Re: SKOS for schema.org proposal for discussion

From: Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 08:16:31 +0200
Cc: 'Jarno van Driel' <jarno@quantumspork.nl>, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com>, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>, Guha <guha@google.com>, Stéphane Corlosquet <scorlosquet@gmail.com>, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, jean delahousse <delahousse.jean@gmail.com>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
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To: "Evain, Jean-Pierre" <evain@ebu.ch>
>Call me crazy, but I presume the folks who designed SKOS already had a discussion like this, isn't it therefore a bit strange to have the same discussion all over again. Looking at all the existing >documentation (which refers to 'Concept') there is, wouldn't it make the general developer's life a lot easier if the naming stays the same?

Please keep in mind that the group that developed and is using SKOS is vastly different from the audience of schema.org, as Dan has already pointed out. In my opinion, an important step in building useful *Web* vocabularies is

1. defining clean conceptual elements (as the original SKOS definition of Concept) and
2. using well thought human language labels and text so that we maximize the likelihood that the target audience properly uses this conceptual element.

Lay people say "my belly hurts", doctors interpret this as "Hypogastric Pain" (below the stomach). Different audiences may require a different grounding in natural language.

Martin


On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Evain, Jean-Pierre wrote:

> Yes, ten times Yes, a hundred times Yes.
>  
> As I said in an earlier mail why should it be future proposals to find better names if they can’t fit Concept.
>  
> From: Jarno van Driel [mailto:jarno@quantumspork.nl] 
> Sent: lundi, 7. octobre 2013 22:04
> To: Evain, Jean-Pierre
> Cc: Thad Guidry; Dan Brickley; Guha; Martin Hepp; Stéphane Corlosquet; Dan Brickley; jean delahousse; public-vocabs@w3.org
> Subject: Re: SKOS for schema.org proposal for discussion
>  
> Call me crazy, but I presume the folks who designed SKOS already had a discussion like this, isn't it therefore a bit strange to have the same discussion all over again. Looking at all the existing documentation (which refers to 'Concept') there is, wouldn't it make the general developer's life a lot easier if the naming stays the same?
>  
> That way there are a lot of resources one can use, instead of yet another property which more or less does the same. In my opinion that would only add to the confusion.
>  
> 
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Evain, Jean-Pierre <evain@ebu.ch> wrote:
> EnumConcept could pass.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Thad Guidry [mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com] 
> Sent: lundi, 7. octobre 2013 21:53
> To: Dan Brickley
> Cc: Guha; Martin Hepp; Stéphane Corlosquet; Dan Brickley; jean delahousse; public-vocabs@w3.org
> 
> Subject: Re: SKOS for schema.org proposal for discussion
>  
> Dan, Stéphane,
>  
> I am less than the average developer... I don't even know javascript.  But I do know about general classification, having worked in a library.
>  
> After reading about SKOS Concept, I was immediately aware that I would have 2 basic important properties that I cared about and that I could use... Broader & Narrower.
>  
> It does not HAVE to be called SkosConcept... but as long as the definition shows it's origin and that Broader & Narrower among others, are part of the bargain, then I think all web developers will easily comprehend what you mean and what neat interconnections they can bring to expand knowledge and organize directed Search queries even more.
>  
> +1 for EnumConcept and I also saw the tie in to http://schema.org/Enumeration  ( "Named" does not help signify that basic "organization" feeling that SKOS is all about....Knowledge Organization.... but Enumeration or Enum does.)
>  
> --
> -Thad
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