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Re: Proposal: VisualArtwork

From: Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 18:32:29 +0100
Message-ID: <518BDDAD.2000501@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>
To: public-vocabs@w3.org
Hi Dan,

 > (2.) It would be good to find wording (and/or hierarchical) that
 > acknowledges that some visual arts can be tactile too; e.g. that blind
 > people can appreciate http://schema.org/Sculpture ... hence the
 > 'primarily' here. Suggestions anyone? Would we say Sculpture is a
 > sub-type of VisualArtwork ?

That's a very good point. Certainly sculpture (and some other artforms 
that have tactile elements) can be appreciated by people regardless of 
visual impairment.

Rather than taking Sculpture out of VisualArtwork, would there be any 
way to incorporate the "accessMode" property from the proposed 
Accessibility schema type (http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility)?

E.g. within HTML for a sculpture marked up as VisualArtwork the 
following properties could be added:

<meta itemprop="accessMode" content="visual"/>
<meta itemprop="accessMode" content="tactile"/>


With regards to your point (3):

 > (3.) I have omitted 'edition' for now, partly because it seems
 > something that ought to be handled for creative works, journals,
 > comics etc consistently; but mostly because I didn't quite understand
 > "For multiples such as prints, the number of copies in the edition"
 > (did someone mention
 > 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Records
 > ?)

An edition when related to fine art printmaking (and other fine arts) is 
different to an edition of a journal, comic etc.

For fine art prints only a limited number of prints are taken from any 
plate (or woodblock, silkscreen screen, etc). After this the plate is 
usually destroyed or deliberately damaged to prevent any further prints 
being taken. The same can also apply to photographs, with a number of 
prints being produced before the negative is destroyed or deliberately 
damaged by the photographer.

So if 20 prints were produced from a plate before its destruction then 
you would talk about an edition of 20. (More info: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edition).

I couldn't find any good cross reference in FRBR, but the Getty 
Categories for the Description of Works of Art (CDWA) uses the term 
"Edition size" - see 
http://www.getty.edu/research/publications/electronic_publications/cdwa/6edition.html#RTFToC4 


To avoid confusion with the edition of a book, journal, etc we could 
change the property name for the VisualArtwork type to editionSize to 
match the CDWA term?

Regards,

Paul

On 09/05/13 16:12, Dan Brickley wrote:
> On 7 May 2013 23:43, Guha <guha@google.com> wrote:
>> I agree. This is a good idea and a simple addition.
>>
>> If there aren't objections, we will include it in the next draft.
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/VisualArtwork
>
> Ok, I have transcribed from the Wiki page into a candidate RDFa+RDFS
> config for schema.org. It is pretty straightforward. Note that
> width/height/depth already exist; we are here just attaching another
> expected type to the list of included domain types. And a reminder
> that 'domain' and 'range' in schema.org are weaker than RDFS's domain
> and range; we'll rename/alias them to rangeIncludes / domainIncludes
> at some point to clarify this.
>
> The draft lives in the W3C WebSchemas repository,
> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webschema/file/default/schema.org/ext/visualartwork.html
>
> Mercurial reminder, the 'raw' link shows you HTML,
> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webschema/raw-file/default/schema.org/ext/visualartwork.html
> ... but for these files, the detail is best viewed in the raw HTML
> source.
>
> Feeding that URL to Ivan Herman's RDFa 1.1 distiller -
> http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/ - gives the Turtle summary below; seems
> readable.
>
> A couple of points, by which as usual I mean at least 3:
>
> (1.) I didn't see a short description for the type itself, so I
> invented one - 'A work of art that is primarily visual in character.'
> (2.) It would be good to find wording (and/or hierarchical) that
> acknowledges that some visual arts can be tactile too; e.g. that blind
> people can appreciate http://schema.org/Sculpture ... hence the
> 'primarily' here. Suggestions anyone? Would we say Sculpture is a
> sub-type of VisualArtwork ?
> (3.) I have omitted 'edition' for now, partly because it seems
> something that ought to be handled for creative works, journals,
> comics etc consistently; but mostly because I didn't quite understand
> "For multiples such as prints, the number of copies in the edition"
> (did someone mention
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Records
> ?)
> (4.) This transcription might not do complete justice to the various
> points raised in the rest of this thread; but hopefully it helps firm
> things up.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> .
> @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
> @prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .
> @prefix schema: <http://schema.org/> .
>
> schema:VisualArtwork a rdfs:Class;
>      rdfs:label "VisualArtwork";
>      dc:source <http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/SchemaDotOrgSources#source_VisualArtworkClass>;
>      rdfs:comment "A work of art that is primarily visual in character.";
>      rdfs:subClassOf schema:CreativeWork .
>
> schema:artform a rdf:Property;
>      rdfs:label "artform";
>      schema:domain schema:VisualArtwork;
>      schema:range schema:Text;
>      rdfs:comment "e.g. Painting, Drawing, Scupture, Print, Photograph,
> Assemblage, Collage, etc." .
>
> schema:depth a rdf:Property;
>      schema:domain schema:VisualArtwork .
>
> schema:height a rdf:Property;
>      schema:domain schema:VisualArtwork .
>
> schema:materials a rdf:Property;
>      rdfs:label "materials";
>      schema:domain schema:VisualArtwork;
>      schema:range schema:Text;
>      rdfs:comment "e.g. Oil, Watercolour, Acrylic, Linoprint, Marble,
> Cyanotype, Digital, Lithograph, DryPoint, Intaglio, Pastel, Woodcut,
> Pencil, Mixed Media, etc." .
>
> schema:surface a rdf:Property;
>      rdfs:label "surface";
>      schema:domain schema:VisualArtwork;
>      schema:range schema:Text;
>      rdfs:comment "e.g. Canvas, Paper, Wood, Board, etc." .
>
> schema:width a rdf:Property;
>      schema:domain schema:VisualArtwork .
>
>


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