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RE: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle

From: Evain, Jean-Pierre <evain@ebu.ch>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 19:41:23 +0200
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, "Sandhaus, Evan" <sandhes@nytimes.com>
CC: Andreas Gebhard <Andreas.Gebhard@gettyimages.com>, Егор Антонов <elderos@yandex-team.ru>, "Olson, Peter" <polson@marvel.com>, PDEC Research <lists@personaldataecosystem.org>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
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You actually might as well go for TV-Anytime where you can find satire and broken comedy, which are actually more programme than news genre, and are furthermore supported by BBC and UK DTG.

From: Dan Brickley [danbri@danbri.org]
Sent: 08 May 2012 19:38
To: Sandhaus, Evan
Cc: Andreas Gebhard; Егор Антонов; Olson, Peter; PDEC Research; public-vocabs@w3.org
Subject: Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle

On 8 May 2012, at 19:34, "Sandhaus, Evan" <sandhes@nytimes.com<mailto:sandhes@nytimes.com>> wrote:

+1 for using the IPTC Controlled Vocabulary for News Genre.

The vocabulary can be found in human readable form here: http://cv.iptc.org/newscodes/genre/ and in RDF/XML here http://cv.iptc.org/Requester?scheme=genre&format=rdf

And yes, there are URLs for all of these properties.

There is currently no item in this controlled vocabulary for 'Satirical Article,' however, we can likely remedy that by June.

Great, let's go for it then. I'll add a genre example with these. Any chance of live data eg NYT?



Evan Sandhaus
Lead Architect, Semantic Platforms
The New York Times Company

On May 8, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Dan Brickley wrote:

On 4 May 2012 15:22, Andreas Gebhard <Andreas.Gebhard@gettyimages.com<mailto:Andreas.Gebhard@gettyimages.com>> wrote:
Not a bad idea. "genre" points to a controlled vocabulary maintained by the IPTC and it wouldn't be too hard to discuss the addition of (comedy|satire|etc.) to that.

Thanks all. I agree that 'genre' in this case would be a more elegant
express things here. In general I'm not against having simple
low-content types, since both microdata and rdfa offer nice syntactic
support for them. But yes definitely pointing into an IPTC list of
genres, 'comedy' vs 'satire' etc. would be great.

I've just sent around a new ExternalEnumerations doc, see
... maybe we can work through the detail of this for 'genre'? Do you
have the relevant IPTC URLs, ideally some that are well-used in some
public datasets?




On May 1, 2012, at 23:41 , Егор Антонов wrote:

schema.org/Article<http://schema.org/Article> has 'genre' property, cannot we use it for this purpose?
I think it's a bad practice to create a new type until it has its own properties

02.05.2012, 06:13, "Olson, Peter" <polson@marvel.com<mailto:polson@marvel.com>>:
In an attempt to surgically extract all humor from this subject...wouldn't satire be a flag as part of a larger article type? I can maybe reach out - I have some contacts in the comedy world.

- Peter

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Subject: Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle

You could just add a parody bit. Then if the whole content is odd, the processor can throw a parody exception.

On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org<mailto:danbri@danbri.org>> wrote:

(disclaimer: thinking out loud)

A smart-enough-to-know-better friend who shall remain nameless just
re-shared this link, having given it a quick check over (by searching)
and it looked real enough. At first glance it was Onion-esque but
wasn't obviously one of theirs, so got re-shared:


The article is completely false, as
http://www.freewoodpost.com/disclaimer/ indicates.  If you view
source, you see itemtype="http://schema.org/Article" though (and a
load more metadata, ogp etc).

I was wondering whether an addition such as
http://schema.org/SatiricalArticle could ever get traction.

My initial conclusion is 'no', ... since most of the obvious
applications of 'SatiricalArticle' would likely slow the viral spread
of fake outrageous news around the Web, and so get little support from
publishers like the above, or
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ http://christwire.org/
http://www.theonion.com/ http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ etc. But you
never know, there might be some other incentives (e.g. disclaimers?)
that could support such an idea.

So I thought I'd float the suggestion. If anyone here happens to know
such publishers, I'm curious of their perspective. Would a
machine-readable indicator of 'satire' be interesting to any of them?
Presumably they get much of their traffic from controversy caused by
reposting shocking "news". Of course there's always scope for that
same metadata to be created by third parties, but that's an old old
story (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-PICS-labels/ etc).




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