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Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle

From: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 19:38:05 +0200
Message-Id: <BC3369A4-5DE1-4AB1-A199-22E8E7BBA5A8@danbri.org>
Cc: Andreas Gebhard <Andreas.Gebhard@gettyimages.com>, Егор Антонов <elderos@yandex-team.ru>, "Olson, Peter" <polson@marvel.com>, PDEC Research <lists@personaldataecosystem.org>, "public-vocabs@w3.org" <public-vocabs@w3.org>
To: "Sandhaus, Evan" <sandhes@nytimes.com>




On 8 May 2012, at 19:34, "Sandhaus, Evan" <sandhes@nytimes.com> wrote:

> +1 for using the IPTC Controlled Vocabulary for News Genre.
> 
> The vocabulary can be found in human readable form here: http://cv.iptc.org/newscodes/genre/ and in RDF/XML here http://cv.iptc.org/Requester?scheme=genre&format=rdf
> 
> And yes, there are URLs for all of these properties.  
> 
> There is currently no item in this controlled vocabulary for 'Satirical Article,' however, we can likely remedy that by June.

Great, let's go for it then. I'll add a genre example with these. Any chance of live data eg NYT?

Dan


> Cheers,
> 
> Evan
> --
> Evan Sandhaus
> Lead Architect, Semantic Platforms
> The New York Times Company
> @kansandhaus
> 
> On May 8, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Dan Brickley wrote:
> 
>> On 4 May 2012 15:22, Andreas Gebhard <Andreas.Gebhard@gettyimages.com> wrote:
>>> Not a bad idea. "genre" points to a controlled vocabulary maintained by the IPTC and it wouldn't be too hard to discuss the addition of (comedy|satire|etc.) to that.
>> 
>> Thanks all. I agree that 'genre' in this case would be a more elegant
>> express things here. In general I'm not against having simple
>> low-content types, since both microdata and rdfa offer nice syntactic
>> support for them. But yes definitely pointing into an IPTC list of
>> genres, 'comedy' vs 'satire' etc. would be great.
>> 
>> I've just sent around a new ExternalEnumerations doc, see
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2012May/0009.html
>> ... maybe we can work through the detail of this for 'genre'? Do you
>> have the relevant IPTC URLs, ideally some that are well-used in some
>> public datasets?
>> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> Andreas
>>> 
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 23:41 , Егор Антонов wrote:
>>> 
>>>> schema.org/Article has 'genre' property, cannot we use it for this purpose?
>>>> I think it's a bad practice to create a new type until it has its own properties
>>>> --
>>>> Egor
>>>> 
>>>> 02.05.2012, 06:13, "Olson, Peter" <polson@marvel.com>:
>>>>> In an attempt to surgically extract all humor from this subject...wouldn't satire be a flag as part of a larger article type? I can maybe reach out - I have some contacts in the comedy world.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: PDEC Research [mailto:lists@personaldataecosystem.org]
>>>>> Sent: Sun 4/29/2012 8:40 PM
>>>>> To: Dan Brickley
>>>>> Cc: public-vocabs@w3.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: vocab idea: SatiricalArticle
>>>>> 
>>>>> You could just add a parody bit. Then if the whole content is odd, the processor can throw a parody exception.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> (disclaimer: thinking out loud)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A smart-enough-to-know-better friend who shall remain nameless just
>>>>>> re-shared this link, having given it a quick check over (by searching)
>>>>>> and it looked real enough. At first glance it was Onion-esque but
>>>>>> wasn't obviously one of theirs, so got re-shared:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/03/13/mitt-romney-i-can-relate-to-black-people-my-ancestors-once-owned-slaves/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The article is completely false, as
>>>>>> http://www.freewoodpost.com/disclaimer/ indicates.  If you view
>>>>>> source, you see itemtype="http://schema.org/Article" though (and a
>>>>>> load more metadata, ogp etc).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was wondering whether an addition such as
>>>>>> http://schema.org/SatiricalArticle could ever get traction.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My initial conclusion is 'no', ... since most of the obvious
>>>>>> applications of 'SatiricalArticle' would likely slow the viral spread
>>>>>> of fake outrageous news around the Web, and so get little support from
>>>>>> publishers like the above, or
>>>>>> http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ http://christwire.org/
>>>>>> http://www.theonion.com/ http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/ etc. But you
>>>>>> never know, there might be some other incentives (e.g. disclaimers?)
>>>>>> that could support such an idea.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I thought I'd float the suggestion. If anyone here happens to know
>>>>>> such publishers, I'm curious of their perspective. Would a
>>>>>> machine-readable indicator of 'satire' be interesting to any of them?
>>>>>> Presumably they get much of their traffic from controversy caused by
>>>>>> reposting shocking "news". Of course there's always scope for that
>>>>>> same metadata to be created by third parties, but that's an old old
>>>>>> story (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-PICS-labels/ etc).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>> 
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