- From: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@oclc.org>
- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:57:49 +0100
- To: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
- CC: Public Vocabs <public-vocabs@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CC62469D.C0C%richard.wallis@oclc.org>
Hi Bernard, Not really, the thought of FRBR-izing the Web would not help with my sleeping patterns! However, recognising that the same thing can be stored/delivered in more than one way will help us describe the real world better. ~Richard On 28/08/2012 09:50, "Bernard Vatant" <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com> wrote: > Richard > > A subliminal proposal for a FRBR extension to schema.org <http://schema.org> > ? > > Best > > Bernard > > 2012/8/28 Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@oclc.org> >> Hi all, >> >> There are actually two issues in this thread, that librarians have beenHi >> Richard >> grappling with for years. That is the difference between the thing (Work) >> and the way it is stored/delivered. Often referred to as content vs carrier. >> >> Content: book, article, video, image, musical work, audio book, game, etc >> >> Carrier: CD, DVD, Cassette, Blu-ray, film reel, file, etc. >> >> And with file there is of course the issue of what file format; mp3, avi, >> etc, etc. >> >> A good test for what is being proposed is to imagine how you would represent >> something such as an audio-book recording, in mp3 file format, on a CD. >> >> I agree that we should be using standard enumerations of format, mediaType, >> etc. as referenced, (remembering that we my want to describe older types >> such as 78rpm discs, 8" floppy, discs, and punched tape) but we should take >> account of how we would apply them to describe real world things. >> >> ~Richard. >> >> >> >> On 28/08/2012 09:26, "Martin Hepp" <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote: >> >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > Without having analyzed all implications I think it might be a good >>> solution >>> > to >>> > >>> > - create a generic mediaType property in schema.org <http://schema.org> >>> and >>> > - represent all media-types that are non-standard IANA types using the >>> > processes defined in RFC 4288 [1]. >>> > >>> > This would allow covering all types that the LRMI use cases will require >>> while >>> > using standard IANA codes for all existing ones. >>> > >>> > Any objections? Otherwise I would kindly ask Dan to create a respective >>> issue >>> > for schema.org <http://schema.org> . >>> > >>> > >>> > Martin >>> > >>> > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Ivan Herman wrote: >>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> On Aug 28, 2012, at 08:56 , Martin Hepp wrote: >>>> >> >>>>> >>> Hi Greg, >>>>> >>> Unless we can use official IANA Interner Media Type identifiers for >>>>> >>> all needed types, I would propose a different name and reserve >>>>> mediaType for >>>>> >>> an also needed property for indicating the Internet Media Types, see >>>>> e.g. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_media_type >>>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> +1. I think we should avoid confusion and using an accepted IANA term >>>> would >>>> >> really lead to issues... >>>> >> >>>> >> Ivan >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Martin >>>>> >>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> In the work surrounding the creation of LRMI, and doing real world >>>>>> >>>> markup on hundreds of works (for a proof of concept project) we have run >>>>>> >>>> into a need that isn't adequately addressed by the current >>>>>> Schema.org >>>>>> >>>> specification, and has broader applicability than just learning >>>>>> >>>> resources (so not appropriate to be included in the LRMI proposed >>>>>> >>>> extension). >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Simply, there is a need for a term that represents the notion of >>>>>> >>>> mediaType. When marking up hundreds of educational resources from >>>>>> >>>> publishers we have found this to be a commonly used field. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Some sample values for that field, based on our set of resources, >>>>>> would >>>>>> >>>> be: >>>>>> >>>> - Audio CD >>>>>> >>>> - Audiotape >>>>>> >>>> - Calculator >>>>>> >>>> - CD-I >>>>>> >>>> - CD-ROM >>>>>> >>>> - Diskette >>>>>> >>>> - Duplication Master >>>>>> >>>> - DVD/ Blu-ray >>>>>> >>>> - etc >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I've cc'ed here Suraiya Suliman who is working on the team that is >>>>>> >>>> building a tool to mark up these hundreds of learning resources. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Greg >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> Greg Grossmeier >>>>>> >>>> Education Technology & Policy Coordinator >>>>>> >>>> twitter: @g_gerg / identi.ca <http://identi.ca> : @greg / skype: >>>>>> greg.grossmeier >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>> martin hepp >>>>> >>> e-business & web science research group >>>>> >>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> e-mail: hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org >>>>> >>> phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 <tel:%2B49-%280%2989-6004-4217> >>>>> >>> fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 <tel:%2B49-%280%2989-6004-4620> >>>>> >>> www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >>>>> >>> http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >>>>> >>> skype: mfhepp >>>>> >>> twitter: mfhepp >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! >>>>> >>> ================================================================= >>>>> >>> * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ---- >>>> >> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead >>>> >> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ >>>> >> mobile: +31-641044153 <tel:%2B31-641044153> >>>> >> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------- >>> > martin hepp >>> > e-business & web science research group >>> > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >>> > >>> > e-mail: hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org >>> > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 <tel:%2B49-%280%2989-6004-4217> >>> > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 <tel:%2B49-%280%2989-6004-4620> >>> > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >>> > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >>> > skype: mfhepp >>> > twitter: mfhepp >>> > >>> > Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! >>> > ================================================================= >>> > * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >> >> > >
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