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Re: {agenda} TTWG Meeting 2017-03-09

From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:11:15 +0000
To: Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
CC: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
Message-ID: <9DAC863A-43DB-42B7-B867-57325ECE19CE@bbc.co.uk>
Hi Pierre,

I have listed some issues in the agenda under the TTML item and would very happily discuss those in the order presented. 

I would also welcome any specific interest in particular issues from those wishing to discuss them. 

Kind regards,

Nigel


> On 7 Mar 2017, at 18:41, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nigel,
> 
>> I appreciate the request, and I could construct such an agenda, however experience suggests it would be a fiction since the amount
>> of discussion needed for each topic is unknown in advance.
> 
> Ok. Can the TTML2 issues be listed in the order they are intended to
> be discussed? This would allow participants to prepare for those
> issues that are likely to be discussed. There is very little time left
> before the end of March.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Pierre
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi Pierre,
>> 
>> I appreciate the request, and I could construct such an agenda, however
>> experience suggests it would be a fiction since the amount of discussion
>> needed for each topic is unknown in advance. I suggest that we begin with
>> IMSC 1 and allocate 30 minutes total to the well-discussed open pull request
>> and a decision to publish a WD for WR, then move on to TTML2 for the
>> remainder of the meeting.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Nigel
>> 
>> 
>> From: Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, 7 March 2017 at 09:49
>> To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
>> Cc: "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: {agenda} TTWG Meeting 2017-03-09
>> 
>> Hi Nigel,
>> 
>> I am afraid I will be available only for the first 75 minutes.
>> 
>> Can a precise agenda (e.g. per issue number) be crafted?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> -- Pierre
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This meeting is scheduled for up to 60m. Please be ready for a prompt
>>> start at 10:03am Boston time.
>>> 
>>> As agreed last week, during March we will begin at the "old" time of 10am
>>> Boston
>>> 
>>> Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the correct
>>> time of this teleconference in your locale may change.
>>> 
>>> Check
>>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170309T10&p1=43
>>> 
>>> Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local
>>> 
>>> Joining details:
>>> 
>>> see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html
>>> (members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact
>>> me)
>>> 
>>> Agenda+ Assign Roles
>>> 
>>> Chairs: Nigel Megitt
>>> 
>>> Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers!
>>> 
>>> Regrets: none
>>> 
>>> Activity since last meeting:
>>> See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products
>>> 
>>> Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
>>> 
>>> We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.
>>> Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
>>> TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
>>> TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
>>> TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
>>> TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
>>> 
>>> WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse
>>> 
>>> Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
>>> 
>>> Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
>>> 1. IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)
>>> 2. TTML issues, actions, PRs etc
>>> 3. Progress on HTMLCue proposal (placeholder)
>>> 4. WebVTT comments (placeholder)
>>> 5. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
>>> 
>>> March Meetings:
>>> 
>>> Thursday 16th March: TTWG phone meeting 2 hours
>>> Thursday 23rd March: TTWG phone meeting 2 hours
>>> Thursday 30th March: TTWG phone meeting 2 hours
>>> 
>>> Further ahead:
>>> 
>>> Thursday 6th April: TTWG phone meeting ? Hours (Nigel away)
>>> Thursday 13th April: TTWG phone meeting ? Hours
>>> Thursday 20th April: TTWG phone meeting ? Hours
>>> Thursday 27th April: TTWG phone meeting ? Hours
>>> 
>>> IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events: see the timeline of upcoming work at
>>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)
>>> 
>>> Main agenda point is to try to conclude on the foreign namespace usage is
>>> underspecified issue (i.e. Merge the pull request) and move to a WD for Wide
>>> Review + Horizontal Review.
>>> 
>>> IMSC 1.0.1 FPWD published at https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/
>>> IMSC 1 Rec available at
>>> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/
>>> Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html
>>> 
>>> Editor's draft is directly viewable at
>>> http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
>>> IMSC Implementation Page:
>>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page.
>>> 
>>> Unicode CLDR discussion
>>> Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
>>> Pierre's response to the recent update is at
>>> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9
>>> Email response from Shervin at Unicode
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html
>>> 
>>> Merged pull requests: none
>>> 
>>> Open pull requests: Editorial clarification of foreign namespace
>>> provisions
>>> 
>>> New or discussed issues: foreign namespace usage is underspecified
>>> 
>>> Closed issues: none
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc
>>> 
>>> Horizontal Review:
>>> 
>>> CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS and
>>> Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS
>>> 
>>> Internationalisation review by Addison Phillips and r12a has generated
>>> several new issues on TTML2 and comments on existing issues (see below)
>>> 
>>> CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for
>>> CSS 2.2 & request for reviews When can we schedule a review and gather
>>> feedback?
>>> 
>>> Actions:
>>> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
>>> ACTION-443 open Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension
>>> features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib. Glenn Adams
>>> 2016-08-26 TTML2
>>> ACTION-462 open Create issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other versions
>>> and profiles of ttml" Glenn Adams 2016-04-28 TTML2
>>> 
>>> Most recent WD published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106/
>>> 
>>> Merged Pull Requests:
>>> 
>>> Improve language regarding pruning during ISD construction (#210, #212).
>>> 
>>> Open TTML1 Pull Requests:
>>> 
>>> Clarify application of padding (#221)
>>> 
>>> Open TTML2 Pull Requests:
>>> 
>>> Issue 0203 add examples of ja features part 2
>>> 
>>> New TTML1 Issues: none
>>> New TTML2 Issues:
>>> 
>>> Show better mappings between base and annotation in figures
>>> Add an illustration of pinyin for ruby align
>>> 
>>> Closed TTML1 Issues: none
>>> Closed TTML2 Issues:
>>> 
>>> Please provide more illustrations and examples for the ruby sections
>>> 
>>> Discussed TTML1 Issues: none
>>> Discussed TTML2 Issues:
>>> 
>>> Add support for Audio Description requirements
>>> 
>>> Use of 'em' units in tts:fontSize on region element is not well defined.
>>> 
>>> <emphasis-position> vs CSS text-emphasis-position + Mongolian
>>> 
>>> rubyAlign withBase
>>> 
>>> Support for bopomofo ruby needed
>>> 
>>> Add support for compositing a TTML2 document onto HDR video
>>> 
>>> Add examples of new features commonly used with Japanese content (2 of 2)
>>> 
>>> Ambiguous definition of "empty" in Synchronic Document Construction
>>> 
>>> Mismatch between CSS and TTML2 text align styling on <span>
>>> 
>>> Default ruby position may be on the wrong side for tblr (eg. Mongolian)
>>> 
>>> tts:writingMode example is not helpful
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Focus topic(s) for this week
>>> 
>>> Use of 'em' units in tts:fontSize on region element is not well defined.
>>> since this has been closed and reopened and we need to get to consensus so
>>> that we can close it and move on.
>>> 
>>> Issue-239 3D and images
>>> Can we resolve this on the call?
>>> 
>>> Inclusion of foreign namespace elements – is it only permitted on metadata
>>> elements, or anywhere? Do we need additional conformance language? See also
>>> IMSC issue foreign namespace usage is underspecified
>>> 
>>> TTML1 Clarification of padding pull request Clarify application of padding
>>> (#221)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues and
>>> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
>>> See spreadsheet of editorial actions at
>>> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx
>>> Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at
>>> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agenda+ HTMLCue proposal progress update.
>>> 
>>> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
>>> ACTION-441 open Kick off the analysis work on the vttcue carrying html
>>> idea. Andreas Tai 2015-11-05
>>> 
>>> See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html for
>>> further information on this, this week.
>>> 
>>> Also HTML import and HTMLCue? email from 2016-09-06.
>>> 
>>> [placeholder agenda item]
>>> 
>>> Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback
>>> 
>>> ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with
>>> ACTION-396 open Produce evidence of request for wide review for webvtt,
>>> for the archive David Singer 2015-04-17 WebVTT 1.0
>>> 
>>> Discussion on WebVTT review feedback and next steps.
>>> 
>>> WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
>>> 
>>> Open Pull requests:
>>> 
>>> Drop line: and position: settings with invalid linealign/colalign
>>> Use HTML's rules for parsing floating-point number values
>>> Add Security and Privay section
>>> 
>>> Merged Pull requests: none
>>> New issues:
>>> 
>>> "Interpret linepos as a (potentially signed) rea…"
>>> 
>>> Parsing: should drop line:100,invalid setting
>>> 
>>> Closed issues: none
>>> 
>>> Recently discussed issues:
>>> 
>>> CR bug: region identifiers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agenda+ AOB
>>> 
>>> Nigel: report from CSUN
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>> Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
>>> 
>>> 
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