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Re: IMSC1.0.1 schemas as a WG Note now

From: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:52:00 -0600
Message-ID: <CACQ=j+dHhBFuKrnyG4F=XkXmDvQXj=68fscq=uZm2JqrU=p4pw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
Cc: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>, Michael Dolan <mike@dolan.tv>, "public-tt@w3.org" <public-tt@w3.org>
FYI. The TTML1 schemas are published at

   - http://www.w3.org/2013/09/ttml1/xsd/schema.zip
   - http://www.w3.org/2013/09/ttml1/rnc/schema.zip

These are not under TR but are still permanent, stable URLs. So I suspect
this is what Thierry has in mind.

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thierry,
>
> > Publishing those XSD in the W3C space (out of TR) is easy. It is a
> stable URI. It has been used for years.
>
> Can you give an example of a resource "in the W3C space (out of TR)"?
>
> What is the process for modifying such resources that are referenced in a
> REC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Pierre
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
> > Please let's have a simple process here.
> >
> > Publishing those XSD in the W3C space (out of TR) is easy. It is a stable
> > URI. It has been used for years.
> >
> > I prefer this than publishing in Github, which may not be stable and is
> not
> > user frendly.
> >
> > Thierry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 24/06/2017 à 18:26, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi Nigel,
> >>
> >> It sounds like we are inventing a new process when the WG Note process
> >> already exists.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> -- Pierre
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 17:20, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Nigel,
> >>>>
> >>>>> Why the complexity here?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am concerned that modifying the github repo can be done by any
> >>>> number of folks, including by mistake.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It can; I would suggest tagging a release when we have a known good
> state
> >>> (as far as we are aware at that time) and declaring the current
> operational
> >>> release tag in a protected master branch readme file.
> >>>
> >>> Then any change would only be reflected in a new release by explicit
> >>> decision, which could be by Group consensus.
> >>>
> >>> Nigel
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Revising a WG Note requires group consensus.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am open to other options.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Pierre
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:16 AM, Nigel Megitt <
> nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Why the complexity here? Can't we just publish the GitHub repo
> details
> >>>>> and host them directly from there? That makes them much easier to
> use and
> >>>>> update.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nigel
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 24 Jun 2017, at 06:45, Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike,
> >>>>>> We don't necessarly need to have a WG Note for this.
> >>>>>> We can publish the current schemas files on the W3C site (out of TR)
> >>>>>> and that will be good enough. No over burdon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I propose to host those schemas at
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/IMSC/ttml-imsc1.0.1/xml-schemas/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> and change the link in the spec to this URI.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thierry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Le 24/06/2017 à 01:04, Pierre-Anthony Lemieux a écrit :
> >>>>>>> Hi Mike,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> put the schemas in a WG Note now and reference it before
> publishing
> >>>>>>>> IMSC1.0.1.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ok with me. I would create a separate directory on the IMSC github
> >>>>>>> repo to host the WG Note and XSD collection.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Happy to do this by Monday COB, in time for approval on Thursday
> and
> >>>>>>> the IMSC1.0.1 CR transition, unless significant concerns are
> raised.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This switch might not even be substantive since the XSD are
> >>>>>>> informative in IMSC1.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Pierre
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael Dolan <mike@dolan.tv>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Given the apparent process challenges for updating the informative
> >>>>>>>> schemas
> >>>>>>>> for IMSC1, I’d like to propose that we do that before publication
> of
> >>>>>>>> IMSC1.0.1 – put the schemas in a WG Note now and reference it
> before
> >>>>>>>> publishing IMSC1.0.1.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>               Mike
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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