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Re: ISSUE-4 and clarity regarding browser defaults

From: Tamir Israel <tisrael@cippic.ca>
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:12:27 -0400
Message-ID: <4FE355FB.2090305@cippic.ca>
To: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
CC: rob@blaeu.com, "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>, Matthias Schunter <mts-std@schunter.org>, "publ >> \"public-tracking@w3.org\"" <public-tracking@w3.org>
I suppose a user could 'choose' to ignore the dialogue in the setup 
process. That way we can retain even the right to non-self determination : P

On 6/21/2012 1:06 PM, David Singer wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 20:34 , Tamir Israel wrote:
>
>> If the WG's objective is to ensure user preferences are expressed, why don't we simply make this a MUST?
> Because that would disallow the case where it's simply an option in the preferences, which users can go to if they wish!
>
>> On 6/20/2012 10:15 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
>>> Tnx Roy,
>>>
>>> <PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>> Normative: "... users MAY be given a choice during installation, update or first startup."
>>>
>>> Non-normative:
>>> There are use cases, where a choice given on first startup would be the preferred choice mechanism.
>>> For example,
>>> - a device can have multiple user profiles per installation;
>>> - in cases where browsers are not installed by the user.
>>> </PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> On 20-6-2012 18:22, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Rob van Eijk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>>>> "... users may be given a choice during installation, update or first startup."
>>>>> </PROPOSED CHANGE>
>>>> Not during installation or update -- only during first use.
>>>> The preference should be stored in the user's browser config (along
>>>> with their other personal preferences); a device might want
>>>> to have multiple such user profiles per installation.
>>>>
>>>> In normal enterprise environments and the vast majority of purchased
>>>> computers, browsers are not installed by the user.  They are installed
>>>> by sysadmins, vendors, etc.  Likewise, updates should not modify
>>>> user preferences.
>>>>
>>>> ....Roy
>>>>
>>>>
> David Singer
> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>
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