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Re: Issue-17, Issue-51 First party obligations

From: Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:36:46 -0500
Cc: John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>, Karl Dubost <karld@opera.com>, Shane Wiley <wileys@yahoo-inc.com>, JC Cannon <jccannon@microsoft.com>, "<public-tracking@w3.org> (public-tracking@w3.org)" <public-tracking@w3.org>
Message-id: <A575FAB2-787C-493F-8356-307A56F870B4@democraticmedia.org>
To: Kevin Smith <kevsmith@adobe.com>
In addition, although sites might be commonly owned--as in Google/YouTube--the tracking and targeting approaches can be different.  Consequently, users should not be expected to safely assume that they understand all the ways they can be tracked and data collected even by a commonly owned entity.  So the focus should be, as I believe we all agree, on maximizing consumer privacy.



Jeffrey Chester
Center for Digital Democracy
1621 Connecticut Ave, NW, Suite 550
Washington, DC 20009
www.democraticmedia.org

On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Kevin Smith wrote:

> For me personally, I am very familiar with YouTube and know that they are owned and strongly integrated into Google, and so would not be surprised that I was tracked across those sites.  However, I am not a Flickr user, and was unaware of their affiliation with Yahoo (although I think Shane makes a pretty clear argument if you have to log in with your Yahoo credentials), and so if I followed someone else’s link to their flickr page, I may be surprised to have that connected to Yahoo chat.
>  
> My point is, that not only are user expectations going to be vastly different, but that a single user’s expectations will differ based on their experience with the sites in question.  Unfortunately, we need to come up with a standard for all sites and all users, so to me, “user expectations” do not always make a compelling argument.
>  
> I think we need to state what we are trying to solve and then work towards solving that, because there is no solution that will meet a majority of user’s expectations.  I think that education has to fill that gap.
>  
> From: John Simpson [mailto:john@consumerwatchdog.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:01 PM
> To: Karl Dubost
> Cc: Shane Wiley; JC Cannon; <public-tracking@w3.org> (public-tracking@w3.org)
> Subject: Re: Issue-17, Issue-51 First party obligations
>  
> This user would not expect that.
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Karl Dubost wrote:
> 
> 
> Will users expect, accept to have their data aggregated 
> 
> * from YouTube with those of Gmail or Google Maps?
> * from Flickr  with those of Yahoo! Chat?
> 
> These are questions for the users.
> 
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