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Re: [Fwd: Re: Sweet Tools website]

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:10:40 +0100
Message-ID: <45BCCB00.6010606@w3.org>
To: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
CC: W3C SWEO IG <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>
It is always good to read a mail in a cooperative spirit:-) Thanks Leo
for investigating this


[P.S., as for Exhibit, it is indeed good stuff, although I personally
would love if it was better integrated with some RDF format right away.
But I played with it and, in our Xmas recess, I actually reformatted my
publication list to use it:


and for that kind of stuff it is really great...]

Leo Sauermann wrote:
> Here the answer from Michael,
> interesting!
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Betreff: 	Re: Sweet Tools website
> Datum: 	Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:46:38 -0600
> Von: 	Michael K. Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com>
> An: 	Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
> Referenzen: 	<45B793AA.7010704@dfki.de>
> Hi Leo,
> Thanks for your kind commments.  I'd be happy to help the SWEO's 
> activities in any way.  See my specific responses below.
> Leo Sauermann wrote:
>> Dear Michael Bergman,
>> Are you planning to keep the list updated or do you rather see it as a 
>> static thing?
> Yes, it is my intent to keep the site active for some time, until career 
> stuff takes me elsewhere or the numbers get too great.  I'm now in my 
> update 6.  I maintain it locally as a spreadsheet, and I posted it on 
> Google hoping others may contribute as well.
>> How did you pick the tools for the website? You picked Simile's Exhibit, 
>> why, did you consider alternatives?
> In regard to various forum comments (including on the SW tools listing 
> on W3C), I earlier stated on my blog:
> "I should mention that I have seen some commentary within the semantic 
> Web community of the desirability of compiling “best of” or “Top X” 
> tools listings for the semantic Web. While such lists have their place, 
> they are no substitute for comprehensive listings. First, semantic tools 
> are still in their infancy and it is premature to bestow “best of” in 
> most categories. Second, many practitioners, such as me, are working to 
> extend and improve existing tools. This requires more comprehensive 
> listings, not narrower ones. And, last, what may ultimately contribute 
> to semantic meaning on the Internet may well extend beyond semantic Web 
> tools, strictly defined. An ivory tower focus on purity is not the means 
> to encourage experimentation and innovation. Many Web 2.0 initiatives, 
> including tagging and social collaboration, may very well point to more 
> effective nucleation points for expanding semantic Web efforts than 
> W3C-compliant efforts.
> These are some of the reasons that I have been happy to include simple 
> Firefox extensions or relatively narrow format converters for my 
> listings. Who knows? You never know when and where you might find a gem! 
> (And I’m not speaking solely of Ruby!)"
> As for Exhibit, I'm truly blown away.  There is a nexus between the MIT 
> stuff (Solvent, Piggy Bank, Timeline, Ajax, Exhibit) that I find both 
> pragmatic and compelling.  I think real stuff is going to nucleate out 
> of these efforts -- and that is why I chose Exhibit.
>> We want to gather information about useful information resources. Your 
>> list would be great as a reusable input, we thought about using an RDF 
>> vocabulary and an RDF database with a SPARQL endpoint to generate a 
>> website that gathers different sources.
>> What format would you suggest to use?
> Leo, you tell me.  I'm actively looking at this issue myself, in trying 
> to decide what should be the "least-common denominator canonical data 
> form."  I suspect from your standpoint that RDF + SPARQL makes the most 
> sense (standards compliance, and all).  There is so much going on with 
> microformats, OPML, Atom, etc.  But I'm pretty intrigued with JSON or 
> GData.  I just have this general sense that simpler and easier (with 
> offline converters, GRDDL?) is the way things will evolve.
>> Would you be interested that we crawl your data and reuse it?
> Please feel free.  Everyone in the community is making contributions.
> Again, I very much support your efforts.  I'll try to do what I can in 
> my little corner of the world.  Let me know if I can help further.
> Thanks, Mike
>> kindest regards
>> Leo Sauermann
>> [1] SWEO: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/
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