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Re: updated InfoGathering, proposing a portal as a solution - do you agree on a portal?

From: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:01:40 +0100
Message-ID: <45D98394.1070304@dfki.de>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
CC: W3C SWEO IG <public-sweo-ig@w3.org>
Hi Sweo,

before answering inline, the most important answer here:
About the manpower measured in fte (full-time-equivalent) that is needed 
to make this happen.

I agree with Ivan that this is the crucial point. I would guess that the 
work to setup the page would roughly take 3 personmonths (including 
first content, programming the rdf importer, webdesign, writing 
advertisment newsletters, bugfixes and first user support)
So for a SWEO member (working one half-day per week, which is roughly 
1/10 of a fte) this would take two years.

After the website is up and running, it would take considerably less 
effort to keep it running.
Compare to schemaweb.info, the guy making it has about 0.1 fte workload 
on it.

looking at this, It may be good to have at least three or four people 
responsible and willing to invest some work within the next months.

Also, external contributors can be asked. I did a similar web-project 
collecting RDF tools with the Semantic Web School Austria (Susie is also 
in contact with them regarding something completly different), and also 
Chris Bizer and Richard Cyganiak (and people around them) are planning 
to make a related website (a collection of how-tos), so it may be 
possible for us to get additional support from outsiders - given that we 
can attract them with a "win-win" situation (business speak, argh). 
Which would mean some kind of attribution of "portal made in cooperation 
by W3C and BLAH.com".



Es begab sich aber da Ivan Herman zur rechten Zeit 17.02.2007 11:05 
folgendes schrieb:
>>> "Which brings Swoogle [1] to mind.  One test of SWEO's thinking, Ivan,
>>> is to ask them what Swoogle is not doing well enough or should be doing
>>> better -- i.e. how this new proposal-under-development would improve on
>>> Swoogle." [1] http://swoogle.umbc.edu/ (thinking of the possibility of
>>> people just 'publishing' their data in some vocabularies, and let
>>> existing crawlers pick up that data)
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>> Swoogle provides nothing, just this:
>> search.
>>
>> the portal will provide things like you would typically find on portals
>> such as this:
>> http://www.xmlhack.com/
>>
>>     
>
> I think the reaction came from your term of using 'crawler' on the page.
> Actually, it may be an idea to use the crawler of swoogle...
>   
If we go for the model that we only crawl URLs that were manually added 
to the system, and we have to do a conversion from RDF to the content 
management system (for example, from RSS to drupal), then swoogle may 
just add a possible point of failure.

reading a list of URLs and parsing the rdf should be manageable, tricky 
part is change detection. But still, I think swoogle is not needed (if 
we only import data from URLs registered to the portal).

>   
>> or here,  a mockup of what I have in mind
>> http://www.dfki.uni-kl.de/~sauermann/2007/02/sweomockup/
>>
>>     
>>> In general, once we have a somewhat clearer idea of the architecture,
>>> and regardless of the details of the tools, we should certainly try to
>>> make an assessment on long term on what this beast would lead to:
>>>
>>> - what type and size of traffic we would expect on such portal
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>> ~ 5 people editing per day
>> ~ 100 visitors per day, if it explodes, up to 10.000 visits per day.
>> (depends if the semantic web is a success)
>>
>> about 5.000 people subscribing to the RSS feeds! (everyone from our
>> community) This could be heavy, but easy to cache.
>>
>>     
>
> These are important figures. We should keep them before we try to
> convince any physical location (w3c or otherwise) to host the service.
>   
ok, so my figures were just made up.
If anybody can guess better, please update the wiki...

>
>   
>>> - what type of update frequency is needed
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>> from us, not much. We should attract people to edit data themselves.
>> One update per week may be enough.
>>
>>     
>>> - what is the necessary manpower requirement to keep it up-to-date
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>> probably 1 man, hopefully parttime is enough
>>
>>     
>
> So, here comes the dirty question: who will be that person once SWEO is
> over? Do we expect the W3C staff to keep that?
>
> [Leo, sorry if I sound pushy with these remarks, but I think we have to
> be *very* clear with all these details before we move on. *Nothing*
> personal or against the project!]
>   
answer above!

>   
>>> - what type of extra facility is necessary (eg: you say we would have
>>> some sort of a login facility for people making comments and rating;
>>> what type of extra facility would we need for that? OpenID, etc?)
>>>  
>>>
>>>       
>> normal signup: give me your e-mail address, enter a username/password,
>> you are in.
>> like any web 2.0 app. Nobody uses openid there.
>>
>>     
>
> Let us put OpenId aside for the time being (I would love to see OpenId
> more widely used, but that is another matter). That means that the
> infrastructure you will have for the site will have to have these
> features as well. Just pointing that out.
>   
yes, thats why I also want to reuse existing code. I thought to reuse 
the user management part of a CMS, but Danny's idea to reuse a complete 
CMS is better.

best
Leo


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