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Re: [Fwd: consensus and ownership]

From: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:20:11 +0100
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To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, public-sw-meaning@w3.org

This idea of meaning being based in consensus also appears in the work by 
Quine that I mentioned the other week [1].

A possible difference in position would be that you talk about the meaning 
of a URI, where Quine's analysis suggest that it's not the individual terms 
but complete statements that have meaning.  (I think that's a point that 
Pat has been trying to press, too.)


[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sw-meaning/2003Oct/0035.html

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>These discussions often refer to "the owner of the URI",
>which begs questions of whether all URIs have owners,
>how many, and such.
>I suggest that the case of http://www.ford.com/
>being owned by Ford Motor company is, while very
>common, not the general case. It belongs to the
>pattern where the Internet Community delegates
>(via the IANA URI scheme registry and the DNS),
>authority over a set of URIs with a common
>prefix to one particular owner.
>Consider news:comp.text.xml . The Web Community
>has come to agree that it refers to a "big 7" USENET
>newsgroup without delegating authority to any one
>party in paricular, but rather thru a time-honored
>process set out in
>  How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup
>  http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/
>(I tried to find a path from the URI scheme registry
>   http://www.iana.org/assignments/uri-schemes
>to that how-to document; the path goes quite happily
>thru RFC 1738 (December 1994)
>   http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1738.html
>to RFC 1036 (December 1987)
>   http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1036.html
>where we find "Newsgroups specified must all be the names of
>existing newsgroups" but the trail goes cold there.
>I think this is just failure of the RFC maintenence
>system to keep up with community practice.)
>Anyway... I think the general case is that a
>URI has meaning to the extent that there's consensus
>in the Internet Community about what it means, as expressed
>in Internet protocol messages, especially messages that
>express a relationship between a URI and a representation
>of what it means; and that the HTTP/DNS case is, while very
>common, a special case where the Web Community has delegated authority
>to one party (and that delegation has limits, as we
>see in the Verisign SiteFinder case).
>[I think I'll send this now rather than figuring out how it
>relates to the proceedings  of this forum or to www-tag or
>Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/

Graham Klyne
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