W3C SML Teleconference of 2009-01-15

15 Jan 2009


See also: IRC log


John, Sandy, MSM, Len, Ginny, MSM
Kumar, Kirk
John Arwe
Sandy Gao


Approval of 2009-01-08 telecon minutes

RESOLUTION: approve 2009-01-08 telecon minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/att-0011/20090108-sml-minutes.html

Face to Face on Feb 23

RESOLUTION: cancel SML F2F on Feb 23.

W3C Technical Plenary in Nov. 2009

RESOLUTION: SML very unlikely to meet during Tech. Plenary.

Review Action Items

Len: action 213 is done, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0015.html. But both notes still need some editorial changes.
... 215 not done yet. expect to finish next week.
... action 216 is done. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0014.html. checked in the spreadsheet, but not the generated documents.

John: for now checking in the spreadsheet is sufficient.

Len: WG home page has links to .doc files. Suggest to change to html files, and remove .doc files from CVS.

<MSM> Actions 190, 211, 212 still open, no progress.

<MSM> Partial progress on action 210; please check

<MSM> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml

<MSM> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml-if

<MSM> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml-schema.xsd

<MSM> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml-if-schema.xsd

MSM: made progress on action 210. Please check the above 4 links for suggested changes to old namespace documents.

Len: in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml, the title says "Version 1.1 Namespaces". Should not be plural.

MSM: I will fix it.

Len: same is true for the latest namespace document http://www.w3.org/ns/sml

John: and in the second paragraph.

Len: IE7 reports an error when trying to load the xsd file linked from the old "sml" namespace document

<lencharest> IE7 cannot display sml-schema.xsd. Error is:

<lencharest> The XML page cannot be displayed

<lencharest> Cannot view XML input using XSL style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.

<lencharest> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

<lencharest> Reference to undeclared namespace prefix: 'xsl'. Error processing resource 'http://www.w3.org/2008/09/xsd.xsl'. Line 1, Po...

<lencharest> <xsl:text>

<lencharest> Second try:

<lencharest> Reference to undeclared namespace prefix: 'xsl'. Error

<lencharest> processing resource 'http://www.w3.org/2008/09/xsd.xsl'. Line 1, Po...

<lencharest> <xsl:text>

Sandy: the error I see in IE7: The stylesheet does not contain a document element. The stylesheet may be empty, or it may not be a well-formed XML documen...

Next Steps on Documents

Len: Kirk mentioned he didn't plan to make any content changes to the EPR scheme document

<lencharest> EPR note is at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2007/xml/sml/epr-note.html

<lencharest> XLink note is at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2007/xml/sml/xlink-note.html

John: WG members should review these two documents
... are Formulae fixed in the test documents?

Ginny: yes. checked into CVS.

Team Contact transition plan

<lencharest> Meeting Tuesday at 9am would be fine

John: to accommodate Henry in UK, Tue. 8:00PT OK for everyone?

Len: not for me.

Sandy: me neither.

John: Please post what time works for you.
... Also likely to reduce the call to 1hr/wk.

Bugs 5341 and 5561

John: Should update them since Len updated the documents.

Bug 5492


MSM: will look at this again. expect to report back next week. continue to believe manually updating the html is worth doing.

Bug 5680


<johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Dec/att-0035/CR5680.pdf

John: walk through the proposal in the above PDF file

Len: question about usage and consistency of curly and square brackets.

John: curly are normally for schema component property names; square are for infoset properties. often happy to leave the consistency issue to the editors.

Len: toward the bottom of page 2. may want to replace "the following line" with "the following entry", to avoid line-wrapping issues.

MSM: suggest to change the second sentence in the last paragraph on page 4, from "insufficient" to "not necessarily sufficient".
... also "xsl:variable is one possible choice" to "xsl:variable and sch:let are possible choices"

RESOLUTION: adopt the proposal for 5680 in the PDF file, with above amendments. editors to incorporate it. mark it "editorial". no WG review needed.

Implementation report

<johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Dec/0032.html

John: for test case report, yellow column for "Eclipse COSMOS Result" will become "valid" or "invalid". and they all match the expected result.

Ginny: does that mean the two "no" answers in the feature report are not correct?

John: given how they are worded, COSMOS has to say no, because they are for when certain other features are not supported, but COSMOS does support them.

Ginny: seems appropriate to change the description of those features.

John: in test case report, orange cell on first row was artificial error. Should be required.

Ginny: can't answer some of the orange cells, without Kumar on the MS impl.

John: for base64 tests, where "expected result" is either yellow or orange, expect them to become "valid".
... for smlref test "MultipleNonRootXpointer", feature type inconsistency needs to be fixed.

Ginny: 2 lines down is caused by a blank line in the spreadsheet.

John: test "ValidNilRefPSVI" in smlref, expected result should be "valid".
... "Feature rules, locid": because XSLT doesn't like 2 feature names. Seems the tests are really about "locid." "rules" is just the mechanism used to test "locid". Suggest to use "locid" as the feature name, and move "rules" out of "primary feature".
... similarly for "Feature rules, rule-binding", suggest to use "rule-binding" as primary, and move "rules" to secondary.

Ginny: +1

Len: +1

John: test "ValidSchematronRule" in "rules". Expected result should be "valid".
... need to decide next week what should be the required pass rate. May also make the PR transition decision next week.

Summary of Action Items

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Last Scribe Date        Member Name         Regrets pending 
2008-05-22              Lynn, James         Until further notice 
2008-10-29              Pandit, Kumar       
2008-12-11              Wilson, Kirk        1/22
2008-12-18              Charest, Len        
2009-01-08              Smith, Virginia     
2009-01-15              Gao, Sandy          
Exempt                  Arwe, John
Exempt                  MSM
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