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RESOLUTION: approve meeting minutes for 2008-08-28 telecon at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/att-0003/2008-08-28-minutes.htm
John: 3 weeks minimum. Earliest
is Oct. 3.
... optimistic that QT and Schema groups will not have major
issues with the 2nd LC draft.
RESOLUTION: Use Oct. 3 as the LC review end date.
John: Action 137. May need another volunteer to write up the proposal, given that schema LC review period ends in 8 days.
Kumar: need to talk to Pratul to
find out what to do.
... personally, don't care whether xsd 1.1 aligns with SML's
decision about identity constraints and substitution groups,
but will check with Pratul and report back.
MSM: action 190 still open, will
assign a new due date.
... Action 192 can be closed. Overtaken by events.
Kumar: open for LC publication changes. will close it when LC is issued.
RESOLUTION: mark bug 5998 editorial
John: Henry is OK with current draft. Need to remove "decided" keyword. Change "reviewerNotSatisfied" to "reviewerSatisfied".
RESOLUTION: remove "decided" keyword. Change "reviewerNotSatisfied" to "reviewerSatisfied", on bug 5543.
John: Henry has not responded.
John: COSMOS took the
pre-submission tests and updated them to keep up with the spec,
with new tests added to test new features like SchemaBinding.
Tests stored in COSMOS CVS.
... Any potential problems with tests stored in other
repositories than W3C CVS?
None heard.
John: any other (than COSMOS) sources of test
cases anticipated?
... currently probably 150 tests. Some may not qualify as
inter-op tests, as they test optional features.
<johnarwe_> http://wiki.eclipse.org/COSMOS_SML_Test_Plan
John: 2008-09-05 add: test plan regenerated Friday morning to be current. If anyone pulled it Thursday (when it was dated 8/11) and you want something more current, need to refresh your copy.
<MSM> [Am I right to think that the repository itself is at http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.cosmos/?root=Technology_Project ?]
Kumar: Microsoft tests are very focused
on particular functions, like unit tests. The format is not in
IF.
... I looked at COSMOS tests. They seem to cover
everything.
... the test plan I sent earlier suggested that we need tests
for mandatory features, but tests for other features can be
optional.
MSM: I think we need test coverage for optional features, otherwise there is no evidence that the optional features are implementable.
Kumar: one danger there is that Microsoft has no intention to implement the optional features. It would mean that COSMOS will have to implement all the optional features.
MSM: the spec can't exit CR if
there are features (optional or not) that don't have any
implementation.
... there are multiple goals for the tests. It's both for
inter-op, but also implementability. It's possible that there
need to be 2 impls, even for optional features.
John: COSMOS's intention is to
implement all features, including optional ones.
... So it sounds like we need test coverage for optional
features.
... COSMOS did try to make sure that all features in the spec
are covered in the tests.
... when the test suite includes tests for optional features,
need to decide what to do with implementations that don't
support the optional features.
MSM: may be able to learn from QT, who has a similar situation with regard to tests for optional features.
John: maybe we should ask people to read the earlier test plan proposal from Kumar and discuss it next week.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Apr/0062.html
<Kumar> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Apr/0062.html
<johnarwe_> in addition to kumar's email there was some discussion lasting at least into early may, e.g. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008May/0023.html
John: I've read schema 1.1 LC draft and opened bugs. SML WG can decide whether to endorse some of them next week as well.
<johnarwe_> further homework for next week: does the wg wish to endorse, as a wg, any of the following bugs opened against schema 1.1 ? http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 through http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6015
Last Scribe Date Member Name Regrets pending 2008-05-22 Lynn, James Until further notice 2008-07-10 McCarthy, Julia Until further notice 2008-08-07 Smith, Virginia 9/11 2008-08-21 Wilson, Kirk 2008-08-28 Kumar, Pandit 2008-09-04 Gao, Sandy Exempt Arwe, John Exempt Dublish, Pratul Exempt MSM Exempt PH