W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-09-04

04 Sep 2008


See also: IRC log


JArwe, Sandy, Kumar, MSM
Ginny, Kirk, Pratul, Jim, Julia
John Arwe
Sandy Gao


Approval of minutes from previous meeting

RESOLUTION: approve meeting minutes for 2008-08-28 telecon at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/att-0003/2008-08-28-minutes.htm

End date for the 2nd LC review period

John: 3 weeks minimum. Earliest is Oct. 3.
... optimistic that QT and Schema groups will not have major issues with the 2nd LC draft.

RESOLUTION: Use Oct. 3 as the LC review end date.

Review open action items

John: Action 137. May need another volunteer to write up the proposal, given that schema LC review period ends in 8 days.

Kumar: need to talk to Pratul to find out what to do.
... personally, don't care whether xsd 1.1 aligns with SML's decision about identity constraints and substitution groups, but will check with Pratul and report back.

MSM: action 190 still open, will assign a new due date.
... Action 192 can be closed. Overtaken by events.

bug 5998 second LC draft publication related editorial changes

Kumar: open for LC publication changes. will close it when LC is issued.

RESOLUTION: mark bug 5998 editorial

bug 5543 SML URI seems overconstrained

John: Henry is OK with current draft. Need to remove "decided" keyword. Change "reviewerNotSatisfied" to "reviewerSatisfied".

RESOLUTION: remove "decided" keyword. Change "reviewerNotSatisfied" to "reviewerSatisfied", on bug 5543.

bug 5562 SML should define an XHTML href Reference Scheme

John: Henry has not responded.

Test cases and call for implementation

John: COSMOS took the pre-submission tests and updated them to keep up with the spec, with new tests added to test new features like SchemaBinding. Tests stored in COSMOS CVS.
... Any potential problems with tests stored in other repositories than W3C CVS?

None heard.

John: any other (than COSMOS) sources of test cases anticipated?
... currently probably 150 tests. Some may not qualify as inter-op tests, as they test optional features.

<johnarwe_> http://wiki.eclipse.org/COSMOS_SML_Test_Plan

John: 2008-09-05 add: test plan regenerated Friday morning to be current. If anyone pulled it Thursday (when it was dated 8/11) and you want something more current, need to refresh your copy.

<MSM> [Am I right to think that the repository itself is at http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.cosmos/?root=Technology_Project ?]

Kumar: Microsoft tests are very focused on particular functions, like unit tests. The format is not in IF.
... I looked at COSMOS tests. They seem to cover everything.
... the test plan I sent earlier suggested that we need tests for mandatory features, but tests for other features can be optional.

MSM: I think we need test coverage for optional features, otherwise there is no evidence that the optional features are implementable.

Kumar: one danger there is that Microsoft has no intention to implement the optional features. It would mean that COSMOS will have to implement all the optional features.

MSM: the spec can't exit CR if there are features (optional or not) that don't have any implementation.
... there are multiple goals for the tests. It's both for inter-op, but also implementability. It's possible that there need to be 2 impls, even for optional features.

John: COSMOS's intention is to implement all features, including optional ones.
... So it sounds like we need test coverage for optional features.
... COSMOS did try to make sure that all features in the spec are covered in the tests.
... when the test suite includes tests for optional features, need to decide what to do with implementations that don't support the optional features.

MSM: may be able to learn from QT, who has a similar situation with regard to tests for optional features.

John: maybe we should ask people to read the earlier test plan proposal from Kumar and discuss it next week.


<Kumar> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Apr/0062.html

<johnarwe_> in addition to kumar's email there was some discussion lasting at least into early may, e.g. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008May/0023.html

John: I've read schema 1.1 LC draft and opened bugs. SML WG can decide whether to endorse some of them next week as well.

<johnarwe_> further homework for next week: does the wg wish to endorse, as a wg, any of the following bugs opened against schema 1.1 ? http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 through http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6015

Summary of Action Items

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Updated Scribe List

Last Scribe Date        Member Name         Regrets pending 
2008-05-22              Lynn, James         Until further notice
2008-07-10              McCarthy, Julia     Until further notice
2008-08-07              Smith, Virginia     9/11
2008-08-21              Wilson, Kirk        
2008-08-28              Kumar, Pandit       
2008-09-04              Gao, Sandy          
Exempt                  Arwe, John          
Exempt                  Dublish, Pratul     
Exempt                  MSM                 
Exempt                  PH                  
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