Re: Eurocentrism, incorrect unit abbreviations, and proprietary Royalist Engish (sic) terms

I’d say a *CampingSite* has many *CampingSpots*.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 at 13:41 Simeon Warner <simeon.warner@gmail.com> wrote:

> As a native Brit (which I guess makes me a royalist per this thread!
> Whatever happened to British English and American English as the usual
> terms to distinguish!) who has camped a fair bit, I would say that while
> we do pitch a tent the term CampingPitch sounds really odd. I think
> British English speakers would find IndividualCampsite more understandable.
>
> Cheers,
> Simeon
>
> On 7/11/18 3:56 AM, Martin Hepp wrote:
> > I would stick with CampingPitch, since the whole concept is mostly
> > relevant for Royalist English and Eurocentric campgrounds.
> >
> > Martin
> > ---------------------------------------
> > martin hepp
> > www: http://www.heppnetz.de/
> > email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>
> >
> >
> > Am 11.07.2018 um 09:25 schrieb Anthony Moretti
> > <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>:
> >
> >> I can work with that. So if we keep the assumption, for the
> >> convenience of businesses, that all campgrounds are commercial then
> >> maybe we just add Campsite, and rename CampingPitch to
> IndividualCampsite:
> >>
> >>     Place
> >>         Accommodation
> >>             IndividualCampsite
> >>             Room
> >>                 HotelRoom
> >>         Campsite
> >>             Campground
> >>             IndividualCampsite
> >>         LocalBusiness
> >>             LodgingBusiness
> >>                 Campground
> >>                 Hotel
> >>
> >>     Organization
> >>         LocalBusiness
> >>             LodgingBusiness
> >>                 Campground
> >>                 Hotel
> >>
> >>
> >> Anthony
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:05 AM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Yes, I see the point that the current modeling is not ideal for
> >>     non-commercial campsites because it adds unnecessary properties.
> >>     We could solve that by removing the LocalBusiness supertype and
> >>     instead recommend MTE markup for commercial sites. But there is a
> >>     trade-off: it will break the hierarchy and make markup more
> >>     difficult for the commercial ones. The current model is not really
> >>     problematic for most consumers of the data, it can just be a
> >>     little inconsistent on the ontological level; but then again, this
> >>     is no major criterion for schema.org <http://schema.org>.
> >>
> >>     ---------------------------------------
> >>     martin hepp
> >>     www: http://www.heppnetz.de/
> >>     email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Am 11.07.2018 um 08:38 schrieb Anthony Moretti
> >>     <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>:
> >>
> >>>     Yeah I understand that, but my point is that not all campgrounds
> >>>     are businesses, i.e. not all are commercial. I definitely
> >>>     understand the Hotel/HotelRoom difference, the parallel would be
> >>>     Campsite/IndividualCampsite. I can fill out the hierarchy further
> >>>     to demonstrate:
> >>>
> >>>         Place
> >>>             Accommodation
> >>>                 IndividualCampsite
> >>>                 Room
> >>>                     HotelRoom
> >>>             Campsite
> >>>                 Campground
> >>>         CommercialCampground
> >>>                 IndividualCampsite
> >>>             LocalBusiness
> >>>                 LodgingBusiness
> >>>                     CommercialCampground
> >>>                     Hotel
> >>>
> >>>         Organization
> >>>             LocalBusiness
> >>>                 LodgingBusiness
> >>>                     CommercialCampground
> >>>                     Hotel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     Anthony
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:27 PM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com
> >>>     <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>         No, the site is a local business, the pitch is not. The
> >>>         relationship is similar to hotel vs hotel room.
> >>>
> >>>         ---------------------------------------
> >>>         martin hepp
> >>>         www: http://www.heppnetz.de/
> >>>         email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Am 11.07.2018 um 08:13 schrieb Anthony Moretti
> >>>         <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com
> >>:
> >>>
> >>>>         Could it be that a camping pitch is simply an individual
> >>>>         campsite (individual in the sense 'indivisible')? And that
> >>>>         campgrounds are a specific type of campsite, not all being
> >>>>         businesses either? So something like:
> >>>>
> >>>>             Place
> >>>>                 Accommodation
> >>>>                     IndividualCampsite
> >>>>                 Campsite
> >>>>                     Campground
> >>>>                     IndividualCampsite
> >>>>                 LocalBusiness
> >>>>                     LodgingBusiness
> >>>>
> >>>>             Organization
> >>>>                 LocalBusiness
> >>>>                     LodgingBusiness
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         Anthony
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 7:07 PM Thad Guidry
> >>>>         <thadguidry@gmail.com <mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>             Oops, forgot to answer your last question.
> >>>>
> >>>>             No.
> >>>>             We can't have parallel terms.  a spot of fire to gather
> >>>>             around is a spot of fire to gather around.
> >>>>             We cannot have a Campsite Type and also have
> >>>>             CampingPitch Type, since they equate to the same exact
> >>>>             concept.  And we already agreed they are the same thing,
> >>>>             just different terms used in different cultures.
> >>>>             We don't duplicate exact concepts that have different
> >>>>             terms in different cultures.
> >>>>             We tell folks that they can say that concepts are the
> >>>>             same as other concepts through the use of
> >>>>             http://www.schema.org/sameAs property and a few other
> >>>>             ways, like duplicating "name": or "description" to give
> >>>>             a term its many names it is known by or multiple
> >>>>             descriptions. I.E., you can repeat properties to your
> >>>>             hearts desire with Schema.org <http://Schema.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>             -Thad
> >>>>
>
>
> --
Martin Bean
Director

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