Re: Proposal: starting document for what we cover.

I have been working through some use cases for degree programs. Would it be
useful for me to share what I have drafted so far?

- Vicki

Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:

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> On 03/02/16 13:31, Stuart Sutton wrote:
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> Phil, one question regarding the scope and definition. There has been
> discussion of the notion of program/course of study (variously named...even
> called simply course). The scope can be inferred to include description of
> programs of study from: (1) the definition, "An educational course is
> defined as a sequence of events and/or creative works which aims to build
> knowledge, competency and ability of learners" and (2)  Use Case #8 (set of
> courses); and (3) from several of the examples (physics at U of Bristol)
> and the program of study in Dental Assisting (and associated course).
>
> Personally, I'd like to see the scope inclusion of both course and
> program/course of study made explicit as opposed to being inferred, and, as
> a result, subject to speculation and debate.
>
> Yes, now is the time to debate whether tracks/programs are in scope. If
> they are that should be explicit
>
> Like you I think they should be.
>
> Whether we need a distinct type for programmes or whether having a course
> which includes courses is sensible or sufficient is something we should
> discuss later.
>
> Phil
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> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:
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>> OK, thanks for the feedback. No one said that they objected to using the
>> outline use cases as a starting point for discussion, so that is what we
>> will do.
>>
>> I hope we can deal with most of the use cases as separate issues, with a
>> short discussion thread about each one leading to a worked example of how
>> the proposal would deal with it. I'll start a tracking issue in Github
>> which mirrors these use cases and some of the bigger picture issues (e.g.
>> is a course a creative work or an intangible, do we need Course and
>> CourseOffering as separate types) to keep a liaison point with the main
>> schema.org activity. I also want to check that there is nothing missing,
>> and that the basic scope is agreed. SO:
>>
>> *Question: *looking at the use cases, scope description and definition
>> of an educational course, does anyone want to suggest any changes,
>> additions, deletions...
>>
>> Scope and definition are here:
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Main_Page>
>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Main_Page
>> Outline use cases here:
>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Outline_use_cases
>>
>> I have "retired" the google doc: you can view but not edit it, and there
>> is link pointing people from there to the wiki.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> On 29/01/16 09:53, Richard Wallis wrote:
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>> +1 for the W3C Wiki.
>>
>> Not only will it help discussion and examples, but it can become an
>> easily discovered source of practice and background that can remain well
>> after any extension(s) are adopted.
>>
>> ~Richard.
>>
>> Richard Wallis
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>> On 29 January 2016 at 09:49, Miquel Centelles < <mcentellesv@gmail.com>
>> mcentellesv@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'd prefer the W3C group wiki.
>>>
>>> Miquel Centelles
>>>
>>> 2016-01-28 15:05 GMT+01:00 Phil Barker < <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
>>> phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>:
>>>
>>>> Hello all
>>>> In our kick-off meeting Dan proposed that we use the Schema for Courses
>>>> [ <https://goo.gl/DnTTsb>https://goo.gl/DnTTsb] document with use case
>>>> sketches to identify what we wanted the schema course extension to cover.
>>>>
>>>> I offered to simplify this a little and put it on the Community Group
>>>> wiki, which I have done, see:
>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Outline_use_cases
>>>>
>>>> The idea is that these outline use cases would describe what we want
>>>> the proposal to cover. We would be able to provide an example, based
>>>> (ideally) on data from a real website, of how the proposal provided markup
>>>> for the information required for that use case.
>>>>
>>>> *Question:* does anyone object to this approach?  If so please let us
>>>> know in the next few days.
>>>>
>>>> If no one objects to the overall approach, we might want to discuss
>>>> some use cases (including suggesting additions) in more detail. I think for
>>>> most of them it should be pretty straightforward to show how current
>>>> proposals meet them.
>>>>
>>>> *Question:* We have a choice between W3C group wiki and google docs
>>>> for working docs. I don't want to have a document live on both. Which do
>>>> you prefer?
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
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> Phil Barker           @philbarker
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