From: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>

Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:53:44 -0500

To: axel@polleres.net

Cc: RIF WG <public-rif-wg@w3.org>

Message-ID: <25936.1199555624@cs.sunysb.edu>

Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:53:44 -0500

To: axel@polleres.net

Cc: RIF WG <public-rif-wg@w3.org>

Message-ID: <25936.1199555624@cs.sunysb.edu>

> Michael Kifer wrote: > > Last Tuesday we were unable to resolve the issue of builtin functions > > because we could not decide on their semantics. The problem is that builtin > > functions are partial and are supposed to return an error if given wrong > > arguments. > > > > One approach we considered was to simulate them using predicates by > > translating functional expressions into formulas that involve builtin > > predicates. Unfortunately, this has a problem that occurrences of such > > functions in the conclusions of rules must have a different translation > > than the occurrences in rule premises. This was perceived as a problem if > > we were to consider BLD as a subset of the (future) first-order dialect, > > since the first-order dialect will not have such a distinction. > > > > I thought a bit about a direct model-theoretic semantics, and there is at > > least one solution that does not seem too complicated. Comments are welcome. > > > > 1. We need a special constant (not sure if it should be in rif:IRI or > > in its own symbol space) of the form rif:error. > > > > 2. The domain of interpretation of any semantic structure will also have a > > special distinguished element called _|_. > > > > 3. All semantic structures will be required to interpret rif:error as _|_ > > (i.e., I_const(rif:error) = _|_) > > > > 4. The builtin functions will be defined so that they will return rif:error > > whenever their arguments are of the wrong type. > > > > 5. For predicates, we have two options. > > a. The simplest option is to say that a predicate, p(a,b,c,...), is false if > > any of its arguments evaluates to _|_ in the interpretation. > > > > b. This option introduces a new truth value, called E (error) such that > > ~E = E, E/\F=F, E/\T=E, E\/F=E, E\/T=T. Then we can say that > > p(a,b,c,...) has truth value E if at least of of the args is _|_. > > > > The advantage of option (b) over option (a) is that we have an explicit > > representation for errors. > > The handing of truth value E in option b) seems to be very exactly the > way SPARQL handles errors in built-ins in FILTER expressions. SPARQL ended up not having a model theory in the end, and their treatment of truth values is based on "guts feeling", which is often incorrect. As I said, I do not actually favor option (b). My guts feeling is that it would break somewhere, but by that time we will have wasted too much time on it. > > The disadvantage is that it is much more complicated. Many results need > > to be ported to account for this new truth value, and I did not check > > this carefully. Quite possible that this idea breaks somewhere. > > > > I think option (b) is too much work for very little gain. > > > > Comments? (esp. if anyone can see whether option (a) breaks somewhere) > > Does that mean you suggest only builtin-functions and no bult-in predicates? I never indicated something like that. --michael > Dr. Axel Polleres > email: axel@polleres.net url: http://www.polleres.net/ > > rdf:Resource owl:differentFrom xsd:anyURI . >Received on Saturday, 5 January 2008 17:53:57 UTC

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