W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > public-rif-wg@w3.org > April 2008

Re: CURIE proposal ...

From: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:33:02 +0100
Message-Id: <DB78BD7B-4CBD-4487-90FD-AFFC7EC55E8F@cs.man.ac.uk>
Cc: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>, Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>, Chris Welty <cawelty@gmail.com>, "Public-Rif-Wg (E-mail)" <public-rif-wg@w3.org>
To: Axel Polleres <axel.polleres@deri.org>

On 22 Apr 2008, at 10:03, Axel Polleres wrote:
> Bijan Parsia wrote:
>> On 22 Apr 2008, at 02:36, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>>> I'm such a flip-flopper; maybe I should run for President.
>>> While I liked Axel's proposal, I think I also get Michael's  
>>> point, that
>>> (to paraphrase) the Presentation Syntax is not a real rule  
>>> language.  If
>>> we want a real (usable) rule lanuage, we should carefully design  
>>> one,
>>> not just add random patches to the PS.
>> [snip]
>> It's a fantasy, in my experience, to think that something called a  
>> "Presentation Syntax" is *not* going to get used as a concrete  
>> syntax. It will just be an underspecified one. (See the old OWL  
>> abstract syntax for one example.)
> even there, it was useful to write down examples.

You miss the point. If you have something that's useful to write down  
examples with, people *will use it * for more than just writing down  

>> What's the objection to using XML directly?
> see my last mail.

You were arguing for a real non-xml syntax. That's fine, if the group  
wants to take that up. If it *doesn't*, then I think that XML is  
better than a Presentation Syntax (though I acknowledge the pain).

(The analogy with turtle isn't quite right. Part of the RDF history  
is the nastiness (real and perceived) of RDF/XML. There are plenty of  
specs which use only XML (WSDL, XML Schema, etc. etc. etc.).)

My point is that a halfway stop is no good. Either have a fully  
specced Presentation Syntax or use the XML directly.

Received on Tuesday, 22 April 2008 09:31:24 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Tuesday, 6 January 2015 21:47:50 UTC