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Re: HTML+RDFa source updated (ISSUE-97, ISSUE-144, ISSUE-146)

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 08:56:48 +0100
Cc: "shane@aptest.com" <shane@aptest.com>, Niklas Lindström <lindstream@gmail.com>, RDFa Working Group <public-rdfa-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <30A6455B-0BB8-4ACE-B972-9870500E2FA6@w3.org>
To: Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net>

On Jan 5, 2013, at 01:18 , Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net> wrote:

>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Gregg Kellogg <gregg@greggkellogg.net> wrote:
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>>> The only question I have is: link uses @rel in HTML; is that allowed for a Lite? I would think yes, but this may have to be written down somewhere...
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>> I would say that the use of @rel in <link> is not part of RDFa Lite, if the values of the @rel attribute would be interpreted by an RDFa processor. In other words, they can have terms which are ignored, but not CURIEs or IRIs.
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>> I am forced to disagree.  We have no way of constraining an RDFa Processor to only do things in a Lite context or a non-Lite context.  Consequently, any occurrence of @rel is going to be interpreted by a conforming processor.  And one conforming Processor cannot work differently than another with regard to the (minimal) triples generated, so all of the values of @rel are going to be processed. 
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> You're absolutely right that a conforming processor will interpret @rel as it would be anywhere else; it's just that, as a publishing profile, the use of @rel for RDFa Lite markup is not described, and I don't think it should be in the case of <link> either. Therefore, anyone trying to publish HTML5 with RDFa Lite using the <link> element shouldn't use @rel for RDFa markup; this may mean that @rel is used for other purposes, for which we already have text in RDFa Core to support.
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>> In theory a validator could flag the use of @rel on a <link> element, but why?  @rel is legal everywhere according to RDFa Lite.  At least that is my reading of the Profile.
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> Ivan may do something like this in his processor, as I believe he outputs warnings when non-RDFa Lite is detected; I don't know what he does in the case of @rel for non-RDFa usage, though.


I *may* output warnings when requested, indeed, but my processing behaviour is not changed.

Actually, at the moment, I skip warning if @content is detected on <meta>, because that is a legitimate attribute for <meta> per HTML. 

But... the HTML Lite rec says explicitly:

[[[
However, even if authorized by the Host Language, the usage of rel and rev should be restricted to non-RDFa usage patterns, as defined by the Host Language.
]]]

I am not sure why we included this, but there we are. Not worth the trouble reopening this issue.

I suspect my implementation should either not issue a warning for link+rel, or should check whether it is an RDFa usage pattern, ie, whether the value of href is a CURIE or a URI. Probably the latter. Wait... using link with a URI is also a legitimate usage pattern! Ie, only CURIE-s are to be flagged I guess...

Ivan

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> Gregg
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>> -- 
>> Shane P. McCarron
>> Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
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