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Re: Web Semantics of Datasets (v0.2)

From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:37:53 -0400
To: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>
Cc: public-rdf-wg <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <1318257473.2111.88.camel@waldron>
On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 14:35 +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
> On 2011-10-10, at 12:30, Sandro Hawke wrote:
> 
> > Here's some revised wording for the proposal, getting a bit closer to
> > spec text.   It's still somewhat informal, and mixing normative and
> > non-normative bits, and best-practice.   And it's not as clear as it
> > should be about handling change over time.
> > 
> >    -- Sandro
> > ===
> >  A dataset D is true iff (1) its default graph is true and (2) for
> >  every pair of <N,G> in D, N names something (a "resource", sometimes
> >  called a "g-box") which, at every time T in R, has G as its current
> >  state.
> 
> [ apologies in advance for everywhere I've confused a term in logic with an english language term, it's really not my area of expertise ]
> 
> I'm not very comfortable with "its default graph is true" — as previously mentioned many systems default to having the default graph be the union of all named graphs (this turns out to be the most practical way to query SPARQL stores in our experience at least), and I doubt you can often determine truthfulness for all your named graphs - depending on what that implies.
> 
> Also, in general, I'm not that comfortable with anything that privileges the default graph in terms of "truth", especially as I don't really know what that means. It suggests rather a naïve view of trust, if that's the intent, and if not I'm not sure what the intent is.
> 
> It also raises the possibility of a "true" dataset becoming untrue through the use of SPARQL protocol parameters like default-graph-uri, or the FROM keyword. c.f. http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-protocol/ §2.1.2.

I might not be using the term "true" in the technically correct way
either.  I just mean it in the sense it's already in RDF.  Right now, we
have some notion of an RDF graph being asserted / true / claimed, etc.
To be hopelessly boring with my examples, when TimBL publishes at
http://www.w3.org/People/BernersLee/card#i:

   timbl:i foaf:name "Tim Berners-Lee"

he really means that's his name.   If he put a different name there, he
would be in some sense lying or mistaken.

So, I'm proposing that when you publish/assert a dataset, you are also
publishing/asserting the default graph.   And you are
publishing/asserting the connections between some named gboxes and
snapshots of their contents.  You are *not* asserting the those
contents.

I can see how this might be a problem in your merged default graph case.
And I can live with changing it, I guess, but I don't know how else to
convey the metadata in a TriG document.    I think there has to be some
way to say who the author is, etc.

I suppose another solution would be to have a special META keyword in
TriG, for another graph.   In SPARQL, it might go in the Service
Description, I guess.

   -- Sandro



> - Steve
> 
> >  It follows from AWWW that if N is an IRI which can be dereferenced,
> >  a successful, correct dereference of N at any time T in R must yield
> >  a serialization ("representation") of G.
> > 
> >  In order to know whether a dereference occurs at a time in R, it is
> >  useful to have R declared in the default graph of D, or in another
> >  nearby, easy-to-find data source.  Where possible, is is helpful to
> >  have R be All Time; that is, having N name a resource whose state,
> >  by definition, never changes.
> > 
> >  In RDF data, N may be used (1) directly, to name the g-box,
> >  expressing things like the license that applies to its state, or who
> >  controls it; and (2) indirectly, to refer to G as the current state
> >  of the g-box.  Indirect reference can be used to express things
> >  about an RDF Graph (a "g-snap"), like that it was the graph some
> >  entity asserted at some time.  Indirection is done in the semantics
> >  of the predicates with which N is used.
> > 
> >  When N is used indirectly, the reference to G only holds inside time
> >  range R, of course.  Care must be taken not to use N as if it
> >  necessarily referred to G, outside of R.  Since R is defined to be
> >  the same for all elements of D, indirect reference is safe in the
> >  default graph.   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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