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Re: follow your nose, HTML widgets, GRDDL spec#issue-tx-elt, TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 [was: [RDFa] Use Case...]

From: Ben Adida <ben@adida.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:04:20 -0500
Message-ID: <4575FAF4.6050407@adida.net>
To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
CC: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org, SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>


Dan,

The answer to follow-your-nose has always been that this would be part
of the HTML standard. Thus the work on XHTML2, and XHTML1.2, and also
support for the latest HTML tag soup version (ideally.) Yes, this should
be part of the HTML definition.

I don't know if this applies to GRDDL just as easily, since in RDFa,
it's the same path you follow for all XHTML documents, whereas for GRDDL
it depends on the transform that you specify in the HEAD of the document.

-Ben

Dan Connolly wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 16:39 -0600, Dan Connolly wrote:
>> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 17:14 -0500, Ben Adida wrote:
> [...]
>>> We still would like to hear your questions, though, so please do keep
>>> track of them.
>> The search-by-author feature of the lists.w3.org search engine
>> is my friend. :)
>>
>> I don't think any of my questions is new... I'm still interested
>> in answers to these...
>>
>> following your nose from an RDFa document to the RDFa spec 03 Aug 2006
>> http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/1154630653.16297.162.camel@dirk.w3.org;list=public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf
> 
> There is some relevant progress in the GRDDL WG and the TAG on that one.
> Nothing definitive yet, but as the TAG is meeting ftf next week, perhaps
> it's good to sync up a bit.
> 
> 
> Regarding HTML widgets and adding RDF without modifying the HEAD,
> I don't see a way to do that without breaking the "follow
> your nose" property, but as we have discussed,
> if RDFa can do it, so can GRDDL; so I have added this
> to the GRDDL issues list:
> 
> issue-tx-element: is there a way to push the grddl:transformation
> attribute down from the document element to individual elements without
> breaking the chain of authority?
> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-tx-element
> 
> Whatever the RDFa answer to the "follow your nose" question
> is, I'll be interested to look at it in the context of a
> relevant TAG issue:
> 
> xmlFunctions-34: XML Transformation and composability (e.g., XSLT,
> XInclude, Encryption)
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#xmlFunctions-34
> 
> Hmm... the TAG issues list doesn't seem to cite a recent
> discussion that was sort of relevant.
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/11/14-tagmem-minutes#item03
> 
> 
> That was a discussion of a GRDDL test case that I sent to
> www-tag for review:
> 
> follow your nose from XML documents to namespace documents?
> xmlFunctions-34, nsMediaType-3, RDFinXHTML-35
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Nov/0086.html
> 
> The TAG mostly advised that yes, you can follow your nose
> from XML documents to namespace documents, but I suspect
> discussion of the XSLT Literal Result case is not done
> and may have significant impact on the way GRDDL handles
> XInclude.
> 
> A few days later, Murray Maloney wrote a pretty good
> test sketch; I suspect this xmlFunctions/xinclude
> stuff affects RDFa about as much as it affects
> GRDDL, so I recommend you take a look:
> XInclude or Not, that is the question
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0127.html
> 
> 
> That's a lot of pointers... it would probably be best
> to connect by IRC or phone or in person somehow. I think
> the SemWeb CG meets this Friday; that's perhaps one opportunity.
> When does SWD meet? Ah... Tuesdays; so not between now
> and the TAG meeting.
> 
> 
> p.s. Ooh... this is a nice summary of the status of the SWD WG.
>  http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables
> Go Tom go!
> 
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