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follow your nose, HTML widgets, GRDDL spec#issue-tx-elt, TAG issue xmlFunctions-34 [was: [RDFa] Use Case...]

From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:01:26 -0600
To: Ben Adida <ben@adida.net>
Cc: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org, SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <1165359686.4211.52.camel@dirk>

On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 16:39 -0600, Dan Connolly wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 17:14 -0500, Ben Adida wrote:
[...]
> > We still would like to hear your questions, though, so please do keep
> > track of them.
> 
> The search-by-author feature of the lists.w3.org search engine
> is my friend. :)
> 
> I don't think any of my questions is new... I'm still interested
> in answers to these...
> 
> following your nose from an RDFa document to the RDFa spec 03 Aug 2006
> http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/1154630653.16297.162.camel@dirk.w3.org;list=public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf

There is some relevant progress in the GRDDL WG and the TAG on that one.
Nothing definitive yet, but as the TAG is meeting ftf next week, perhaps
it's good to sync up a bit.


Regarding HTML widgets and adding RDF without modifying the HEAD,
I don't see a way to do that without breaking the "follow
your nose" property, but as we have discussed,
if RDFa can do it, so can GRDDL; so I have added this
to the GRDDL issues list:

issue-tx-element: is there a way to push the grddl:transformation
attribute down from the document element to individual elements without
breaking the chain of authority?
http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-tx-element

Whatever the RDFa answer to the "follow your nose" question
is, I'll be interested to look at it in the context of a
relevant TAG issue:

xmlFunctions-34: XML Transformation and composability (e.g., XSLT,
XInclude, Encryption)
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html?type=1#xmlFunctions-34

Hmm... the TAG issues list doesn't seem to cite a recent
discussion that was sort of relevant.

http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/11/14-tagmem-minutes#item03


That was a discussion of a GRDDL test case that I sent to
www-tag for review:

follow your nose from XML documents to namespace documents?
xmlFunctions-34, nsMediaType-3, RDFinXHTML-35
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Nov/0086.html

The TAG mostly advised that yes, you can follow your nose
from XML documents to namespace documents, but I suspect
discussion of the XSLT Literal Result case is not done
and may have significant impact on the way GRDDL handles
XInclude.

A few days later, Murray Maloney wrote a pretty good
test sketch; I suspect this xmlFunctions/xinclude
stuff affects RDFa about as much as it affects
GRDDL, so I recommend you take a look:
XInclude or Not, that is the question
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0127.html


That's a lot of pointers... it would probably be best
to connect by IRC or phone or in person somehow. I think
the SemWeb CG meets this Friday; that's perhaps one opportunity.
When does SWD meet? Ah... Tuesdays; so not between now
and the TAG meeting.


p.s. Ooh... this is a nice summary of the status of the SWD WG.
 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables
Go Tom go!

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