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Re: what functions should we include in SPARQL 1.1?

From: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:28:22 +0000
Message-ID: <4CD70BE6.7040804@epimorphics.com>
To: Axel Polleres <axel.polleres@deri.org>
CC: SPARQL Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>

On 07/11/10 18:18, Axel Polleres wrote:
> 1) As a *very minor* editorial issue, I think we should follow a uniform capitalisation of function names in the doc, cf.
> 16.4.22 STRDT
> vs.
> 16.4.6 str
> or is their a rationale behind different capitalisation here that I overlooked?


> 2) another minor comment, there are URIs for
>   -->  http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-plain-literal/#plfn:PlainLiteral-from-string-lang

No. The return type is rdf:PlainLiteral.

The RDF namespace has been contaminated with a type that should not 
appear in an RDF document.  We should not worsen the situation.

The lexical form for rdf:PlainLiteral is singularly unhelpful and would 
require a change to SPARQL 1.0 to make str() work in anyway that is useful.

It is a shame that the language tag is handled by encoding into the 
lexical form, making a double layering and necessitating addition 
functions to undo the encoding, rather than defining value spaces for 
each language and having a lexical form in that language.

>   LANG
>   -->  http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-plain-literal/#plfn:lang-from-PlainLiteral

No. The first arg of that function is an rdf:PlainLiteral. The return is 
xs:language, not a simple literal.

xs:language is not in "XML Schema Part 2: Datatypes Second Edition", 
only XSD 1.1, which is not yet a REC.

>   which we may want to reuse, or should we uniformly refer to the
>      http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql-functions#
>   for all functions (also the xs: ones?

Reuse where possible.

regex is fn:matches (modulo the xs:string/simple literal thing).

Other builtins by keyword are all be necessary additions, I think, and 
need IRIs.

The operators are different because they are an extension point - an 
implementation can add new dispatches for errors.  That's how it's legal 
to have xsd:date support.  So you can't define the signature as a 
function.  While some symbol operators dispatched straight to XSD 
functions ("*", "/", "+", "-"), others go to different functions. e.g. 
This is significant for "=" and "!=" which end up at different XSD 


> Axel
> On 4 Nov 2010, at 01:34, Andy Seaborne wrote:
>> On 03/11/10 17:25, Paul Gearon wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Paul Gearon<gearon@ieee.org>   wrote:
>>> <snip/>
>>>> Math/Logic
>>>> Many of these are already covered, but I'd like to see:
>>>>   if(cond, true-expr, false-expr)
>>>> I believe this is already possible, but an if() function makes certain
>>>> tasks much easier.
>>> Sorry, I forgot that IF has been included in the builtins already.
>>> It's not documented yet, but I presume that it operates as I remember:
>>>    http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-query-20100601/#func-if
>>> So please ignore that part of my earlier email.
>>> Regards,
>>> Paul
>> Wrong version: http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-sparql11-query-20101014/
>> See
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#func-if
>> We should charge for saying "it's not done yet" - pay in HTML content to include.
>> 	Andy
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