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Re: On Spreadsheets, Birthday Cards, and the Nature of Publications

From: David Wood <david.wood@ephox.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:36:41 +1000
Message-ID: <CABdBTrYnqR-0o81t-XXQxmk-76jCCxQGM1TvRvk9OeVQeNJe+w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
Cc: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>, W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Hi all,

Dave, that's a nice point. Thanks for raising it.

The one nit I have at the moment is that spreadsheets are a bad example.
The existing ones on the Web now consist of many resources.

Regards,
Dave

On 15 August 2017 at 05:57, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com> wrote:

> The distinction I’d make is that while we can publish many types of
> documents, just because they’re published doesn’t make them publications in
> the sense we are using the term for WP. While I suppose nothing should
> prevent somebody from publishing a single document as a WP, the act of
> publishing doesn’t make it a WP; conforming to our yet-to-be-defined WP
> spec is what makes it a WP. And I agree with Dave, just packaging alone is
> not sufficient. I get documents, and bunches of documents, all the time as
> .zip packages; those are not “publications” in the WP sense.
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> *From:* Dave Cramer [mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2017 9:27 AM
> *To:* W3C Publishing Working Group
> *Subject:* On Spreadsheets, Birthday Cards, and the Nature of Publications
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> As we've discussed various issues on GitHub, our esteemed colleague from
> Adobe has provided examples of potential web publications which seem, to my
> dinosaur dead-tree publisher eyes, to be rather far removed from what I
> think of as publications.
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> Leonard has often spoken of "ad-hoc publications," such as memos, reports,
> letters—the output of tools that are categorized with words like "office"
> and "document" and "productivity". And of course we can can make such
> documents using HTML/CSS/JS, and we should, ’cause HTML is cool and CSS is
> awe-
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> some.
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> But how would a birthday card or a spreadsheet benefit from being a web
> publication? They are unlikely to consist of more than one primary
> resource, and the existing web platform seems entirely capable of providing
> a good user experience, except for one thing. Such "ad-hoc publications"
> would benefit from being packaged and portable.
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> But do we need to design web publications around these types of documents,
> when packaging is likely the only feature they require? Can we usefully
> separate the concept of packaging from other aspects of web publications?
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> Dave
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