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Re: prov-dm, prov-n, prov-constraints preliminary staging

From: Miles, Simon <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:12:14 +0000
To: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
CC: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <BC751A35-A76A-4FF7-8CDC-AE7DB753F2F0@kcl.ac.uk>
Hello Luc,

The statement you quote also does not make sense, and is not grammatical. Nothing can "be influence" except influence or a synonym of it. They could be "influences", but I don't think this is what is intended. Again, I assume what is meant is that they are "kinds of influence"?

Thanks
Simon

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On 22 Nov 2012, at 17:39, "Luc Moreau" <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi Simon,
> 
> I want to be able to contrast the sentence we are discussing with:
> 
> "Usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, 
> attribution, association, and delegation are also influence."
> 
> Luc
> 
> On 11/22/2012 05:32 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>> Hi Luc,
>> 
>> OK. It is the phrasing that is odd. I have no problem with "defined as" in itself, but the phrase "defined as Influence", as this does not seem meaningful.
>> 
>> Given what you say, would one of the following be OK?
>> 
>> Specialization is not defined as a subtype of Influence
>> Specialization is not defined as a kind of Influence
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Simon
>> 
>> On 22 Nov 2012, at 17:24, "Luc Moreau" <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> It's one of the changes approved as part of ISSUE-525.
>>> 
>>> We, in prov-dm, do not define specialization as an influence. Others may
>>> do, and we don't disallow it.
>>> So I wouldn't want to say that specialization is not a sub-type of
>>> Influence, since this seems
>>> to prevent others from doing it.
>>> 
>>> Luc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/22/2012 03:53 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>>>> Section 5.5.1: "Specialization is not defined as Influence" sounds odd, and I'm not sure what it means. Do you mean "Specialization is not a kind of Influence" or "Specialization is not a sub-type of Influence"? The same issue applies in Sections 5.5.2 and 5.6.2 for Alternate and MemberOf.
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> 
> -- 
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
> 
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