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RE: provenance of provenance

From: Miles, Simon <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:46:49 +0100
To: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
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+1 to the proposals.

I especially think it is a preferable to remove annotations because, in their current form, it is unclear why they are special to provenance.

As a minor point, I suggest that the current bundle definition could be better phrased. The current text is grammatically a bit clumsy ("an entity to allow") and may suggest that a bundle consists of two things: a named set and an entity.

I think phrasing closer to that used in Section 4.6.2 would be clearer, e.g.
  "A bundle is a named set of provenance descriptions, and is itself an entity, so allowing provenance of provenance to be expressed."

thanks,
SImon

Dr Simon Miles
Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
+44 (0)20 7848 1166

PrIMe: A Methodology for Developing Provenance-Aware Applications:
http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1382/
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From: Luc Moreau [L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
Sent: 12 May 2012 11:11
To: Kai Eckert
Cc: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: provenance of provenance

Thanks Kai, good suggestion for reordering bundle and target.

Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
Southampton SO17 1BJ
United Kingdom

On 12 May 2012, at 11:09, "Kai Eckert" <kai@informatik.uni-mannheim.de> wrote:

> Luc,
>
> here is my feedback:
>
> +1 to drop the term account
> +1 for the term bundle
> 0 for dropping annotations (I don't think they are needed, but I don't see the relation to the proposed bundle component)
> +1 for the bundle component
>
> In 4.6.3 Provenance Locator, I would switch positions of bundle and target, as bundle like service and prov denotes WHERE provenance can be found, while target denotes an ALTERNATE for subject.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kai
>
>
> Am 10.05.2012 23:14, schrieb Luc Moreau:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> We are seeking feedback on text regarding bundles (allowing provenance
>> of provenance to be expressed).
>>
>> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd6-bundle.html
>>
>>
>> It is addressing ISSUES-257, ISSUE-260, ISSUE-88, ISSUE-297.
>> We will respond to these issues individually, shortly.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luc
>>
>>
>
> --
> Kai Eckert
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