Re: PROV-ISSUE-352 (rename-WasQuotedFrom): A better name for wasQuotedFrom [prov-dm]

Hi all,
It seemed like there was not enough consensus in the telecon past thursday
about the last proposal.
If I remember correctly, Tim and Jun voted -1 for prov:wasAQuoteFrom.

So far, there have been the next proposals:

   - quoted: there was no consensus because it could imply an agent instead
   of an entity.
   - wasQuoteOf: we started with this definition, and moved away because it
   was confusing.
   - hadQuoteFrom: there was no consensus because it could imply that the
   quotation is partial.
   - wasAQuoteFrom: there was no consensus because "if it was a quote, then
   what is it now"?
   - isAQuoteFrom/isQuoteFrom: there has been no votes on this one, but it
   goes against having everything
   in past tense.
   - wasQuotedFrom: the current name and the only one I have concerns
   about, because
   the directionality of the property is not clear enough.

Just a small remark: the issue is about the name of the property. The
definition on DM is very clear.

During today's prov-o telecon Tim said that he proposed to move away from
wasQuoteOf in order
to have something similar to wasDerivedFrom. I would be happy to go back to
wasQuoteOf if there
is no other suggestion.

Thoughts, Jun, Tim?

Thanks,
Daniel
2012/5/8 Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>

> **
> good idea, we'll put it on Thursday's agenda
>
>
> On 05/08/2012 03:20 PM, Daniel Garijo wrote:
>
> Hi Luc,
> I still think that the name could be improved because the current one is
> confusing.
>
> My last proposal ("wasAQuoteFrom") got a +1 from Stian and Paul
> (although he said he would think of a better name). Nobody else said
> anything,
> so maybe we should ask the rest of the group on thursday?
>
> Best,
> Daniel
>
> 2012/5/8 Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> I don't believe there was consensus to change the name of the relation as
>> you suggested.
>> We also have removed agents from this definition. Definition of
>> quote/original attributes
>> are as follows:
>>
>>
>>
>> quote: an identifier (e2) for the entity that represents the quote (the
>> partial copy);
>> original: an identifier (e1) for the original entity being quoted;
>>
>>  Can we close this issue?
>> Cheers,
>> Luc
>>
>>
>> On 04/19/2012 11:28 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>
>>> PROV-ISSUE-352 (rename-WasQuotedFrom): A better name for wasQuotedFrom
>>> [prov-dm]
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/352
>>>
>>> Raised by: Daniel Garijo
>>> On product: prov-dm
>>>
>>> Currently, the DM says:
>>> A quotation record, written wasQuotedFrom(e2,e1,ag2,ag1,attrs) in
>>> PROV-ASN, contains:
>>>     quote: an identifier e2, identifying an entity record that
>>> represents the quote;
>>>     quoted: an identifier e1, identifying an entity record representing
>>> what is being quoted;
>>> ...
>>>
>>> However, if we say that e2 wasQuotedFrom e1 it may look like entity e1
>>> is the one quoting e2 (since we are saying that e2 was quoted).
>>>
>>> I think it would be more clear if we rename the property with e2
>>> wasQuoteOf e1, or e2 hadQuoteFrom e1.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>   --
>> Professor Luc Moreau
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>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
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>>
>>
>>
>
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> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>
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