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Re: specialization/alternate in prov-dm

From: Khalid Belhajjame <Khalid.Belhajjame@cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 16:27:14 +0100
Message-ID: <4FAA8CD2.4060500@cs.man.ac.uk>
To: Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>
CC: Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>, public-prov-wg@w3.org

I think that definition 13 is probably crisper than definition 12. That 
said, I don't think it makes much difference adopting def 12 or def 13. 
I would go for definition 13, I think in the dm we can afford to be more 
explicit than in other documents.

On 09/05/2012 13:27, Jim McCusker wrote:
>
> Definition 13 is effectively the same as 12, but makes it explicit 
> that time intervals maybe used, but are not needed.
>
> We voted on this last week and introduced it the week before, you can 
> see it in the minutes.
>
> Jim
>
> On May 9, 2012 8:10 AM, "Jun Zhao" <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk 
> <mailto:jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Luc and all,
>
>     I understand that this is call for comments or not for voting.:)
>
>     I only looked at section 4.4 in the diff file. I see that you are
>     adopting the Definitions 13 [1], although I don't recall that as a
>     group we ever voted on this.
>
>     Anyway, personally, I prefer definitions 12 than 13. Def 13 is a
>     bit too specific to my taste:) For example, the mentioning of life
>     span of a specialization and a specialized entity. And the
>     mentioning of overlaps between alternative entities is vague for
>     me. I don't quite understand what we mean by overlapping, what
>     overlaps, the representation themselves?
>
>     Believe me, he last thing I want is to trigger another round of
>     discussions on this. If I vote, I will vote to have definitions 12
>     in the DM for the above reasons.
>

That is a good example of wasStartedByActivity :-)

Thanks, khalid

>
>     btw, I didn't find the "mountains" in the diff file. I hope I read
>     the right doc.
>
>     [1]
>     http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/SpecializationAlternateDefinitions#Definitions_13_.28refinement_of_12.29
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Jun
>
>
>     On 08/05/2012 21:09, Luc Moreau wrote:
>
>         I just added 'mountain' as an example of physical thing.
>
>         On 08/05/12 16:58, Jim McCusker wrote:
>
>             Replace building with mountain, I think.
>
>             Jim
>
>             On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Luc Moreau
>             <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>             <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>             <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>> wrote:
>
>             Jim,
>
>             Do you want to suggest an example?
>
>
>             Professor Luc Moreau
>             Electronics and Computer Science
>             University of Southampton
>             Southampton SO17 1BJ
>             United Kingdom
>
>             On 8 May 2012, at 16:48, "Jim McCusker" <mccusj@rpi.edu
>             <mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu>
>             <mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu <mailto:mccusj@rpi.edu>>> wrote:
>
>                 This comment is indirectly derivedFrom this change:
>
>                 All of the examples of entities are human-created
>                 artifacts.
>                 Should we try to include at least one that wasn't
>                 created by a human?
>
>                 Jim
>
>                 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Luc Moreau
>                 <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>                 <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>                 <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>                 <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>> wrote:
>
>
>                 Hi,
>
>                 Following resolution [1], the new definitions of
>                 alternate/specialization/entity
>                 have been included in the prov-dm Editor's draft [2].
>                 For a diff of the changes (since last WD) see [3].
>
>                 Comments welcome!
>                 Cheers,
>                 Luc
>
>
>
>
>                 [1]
>                 http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-05-03#resolution_2
>                 [2]
>                 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html
>                 [3]
>                 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/ce56dc32ba1e/model/diff.html
>
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