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Re: reviewer feedback on prov-o ontology

From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:35:53 +0000
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To: Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>
CC: Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Jim,

Nice feature, but I would argue that it is not in scope, because
here we would be opening a research topic.
Incomplete, uncertain, probabilistic, etc are not in scope.
It would require probably a few years more to come up with a 
Recommendation ;-)

Luc

On 02/23/2012 03:17 PM, Jim McCusker wrote:
> I guess my point is that implementations should support incomplete 
> knowledge. It should be possible for the implementations to represent 
> (and check) incomplete or otherwise invalid data. This is going to be 
> especially critical to support interchange of scruffy provenance.
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk 
> <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Jim,
>     I didn't say it was a bug. I said it was not aligned.
>
>     It's a feature, maybe, but that's not expressible in prov-dm,
>     which means
>     that other implementations e.g. java, xml, or whatever would not
>     understand that feature.
>
>     So, from an ontological viewpoint, a nice feature, but one that
>     does not help with
>     interoperability.
>
>     Luc
>
>
>     On 02/23/2012 02:21 PM, Jim McCusker wrote:
>>     On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Luc Moreau
>>     <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>         Furthermore, the ontology allows for instances of
>>         involvements to be expressed, without
>>         specifying its subclass (Usage, Generation, etc). This is not
>>         aligned with the data model.
>>
>>
>>     This is a feature, not a bug. Even if Involvement were defined as
>>     equivalent to the union of subclasses, it would still be possible
>>     (and consistent) to assert that something is an Involvement
>>     without saying what the subclass is. We simply wouldn't know.
>>
>>     Jim
>>     -- 
>>     Jim McCusker
>>     Programmer Analyst
>>     Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics
>>     Yale School of Medicine
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>>
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> Jim McCusker
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> Yale School of Medicine
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>
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