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Re: PROV-ISSUE-357 (author-in-quotation): author in definition of quotation [prov-dm]

From: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:32:08 -0400
Cc: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Provenance Working Group <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <C4A0F249-CC48-4E4E-8E8F-631B855CDA58@rpi.edu>
To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>

On Apr 20, 2012, at 5:53 AM, Paul Groth wrote:

> I think it's hard to come-up with validity rules. In terms of being
> from another author... I'm sure people will "quote themselves" but I
> think that's a perfectly fine breakage of the normal definition of
> quotation.

+1

The "other author" can be prov:alternateOf the quoting agent :-)
You're quoting yourself which was in a different context.

I don't see a need to try to enforce distinctness.

-Tim

> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Ok, but how can we enforce it? What does it mean to be "other" in a PROV context?
>> Do we need validity rules?
>> 
>> 
>> Professor Luc Moreau
>> Electronics and Computer Science
>> University of Southampton
>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>> United Kingdom
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2012, at 09:06, "Paul Groth" <p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Luc,
>>> 
>>> Err.. I took the definition of quotation directly from the dictionary :-)
>>> 
>>> So you'd have to argue with them.
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue
>>> Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
>>>> PROV-ISSUE-357 (author-in-quotation): author in definition of quotation [prov-dm]
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/357
>>>> 
>>>> Raised by: Luc Moreau
>>>> On product: prov-dm
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The definition of Quotation [1] is:
>>>> 
>>>> A quotation is the repeat of (some or all of) an entity, such as text or image, by someone other than its original author.
>>>> 
>>>> Do we really mean that I wouldn't be entitled to quote myself?    If it's the case, what does it mean to be "someone other than the original author"? are alternates OK?
>>>> 
>>>> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#concept-quotation
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
>>> Artificial Intelligence Section
>>> Department of Computer Science
>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
> Assistant Professor
> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
> Artificial Intelligence Section
> Department of Computer Science
> VU University Amsterdam
> 
> 
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