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Re: actions related to collections

From: Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:20:29 +0200
Message-ID: <4F8EF7DD.5050602@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
To: public-prov-wg@w3.org

Dear all,

I concur with what Satya wrote. And the example I had in mind is 
collection type of entities on the blog sphere of the Web.

As we all know SIOC is a widely used vocabulary to describe entities in 
the online community sites, like blogs, wikis, etc. It has the concept 
of sioc:Container, which is defined as "a high-level concept used to 
group content Items together". The relationships between a 
sioc:Container and the sioc:Items or sioc:Posts that belong to it are 
described using sioc:container_of and sioc:has_container properties.

The provenance of a sioc:Container could be who is/are responsible for 
the container, who created this container, and when.

The provenance of a sioc:Post could include when the posted was 
published, when it was modified, by whom, based on which other posts, 
document or data.

As you see, I am struggling to see how the key-value pair kind of 
structure could play in the above simple scenario. But please correct me 
if I am wrong.

HTH,

Jun



On 18/04/2012 18:35, Satya Sahoo wrote:
> Hi all,
> The issue I had raised last week is that collection is an important
> provenance construct, but the assumption of only key-value pair based
> collection is too narrow and the relations derivedByInsertionFrom,
> Derivation-by-Removal are over specifications that are not required.
>
> I have collected the following examples for collection, which only require
> the definition of the collection in DM5 (collection of entities) and they
> don't have (a) a key-value structure, and (b) derivedByInsertionFrom,
> derivedByRemovalFrom relations are not needed:
> 1. Cell line is a collection of cells used in many biomedical experiments.
> The provenance of the cell line (as a collection) include, who submitted
> the cell line, what method was used to authenticate the cell line, when was
> the given cell line contaminated? The provenance of the cells in a cell
> line include, what is the source of the cells (e.g. organism)?
>
> 2. A patient cohort is a collection of patients satisfying some constraints
> for a research study. The provenance of the cohort include, what
> eligibility criteria were used to identify the cohort, when was the cohort
> identified? The provenance of the patients in a cohort may include their
> health provider etc.
>
> Hope this helps our discussion.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
> Satya
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Luc Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Jun and Satya,
>>
>> Following today's call, ACTION-76 [1] and ACTION-77 [2] were raised
>> against you, as we agreed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luc
>>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**track/actions/76<https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/76>
>> [2] https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**track/actions/77<https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/77>
>>
>>
>
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