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Re: PROV-ISSUE-342 (location-of-usage): prov:location is an optional attribute of entity and activity - others okay? [prov-dm]

From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:44:43 +0100
Message-ID: <EMEW3|73a812c2d7cad6ee7a88beb37becab45o3GGil08L.Moreau|ecs.soton.ac.uk|4F8D8FEB.40309@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
To: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
CC: Provenance Working Group <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi Tim,
The latest draft contains the change. I am closing this issue, pending 
review.
Luc

On 04/11/2012 11:54 PM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
> Luc,
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Luc Moreau wrote:
>
>    
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> My understanding of the location attribute is restrictive.
>> This is how I also specified the current XML schema.
>>      
> Okay.
>
>    
>> I also think it's inline with our way of handling time. E.g. We said we didn't want prov:time on entity.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>      
> So does restating "The attribute prov:location is an optional attribute of entity and activity" to
> "The attribute prov:location is an optional attribute of entity, activity, usage, and generation."
>
> sound reasonable? If so, I think it would address this issue and we can close it.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
>
>    
>> Professor Luc Moreau
>> Electronics and Computer Science
>> University of Southampton
>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>> United Kingdom
>>
>> On 11 Apr 2012, at 20:47, "Timothy Lebo"<lebot@rpi.edu>  wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Luc,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:30 AM, Luc Moreau wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there has been suggestion that the location attribute applies to other classes. You are making a good case for usage and generation.
>>>>          
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>        
>>>> What else?
>>>>          
>>> I would be happy with just adding Usage and Generation. It covers the cases that I can think of.
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Everything? Note sure this works for Quotation, OriginalSource, Attribution, Association, Responsibility .
>>>>          
>>> None of these make sense upon a cursory consideration.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, part of my question was:
>>>
>>>        
>>>>> Is it acceptable to view the DM's current statement as non-restrictive?
>>>>>            
>>> So, even if you do add Usage and Generation to the list with Entitiy and Activity, can someone conformant-ly put a location on something else?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>>
>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>> Electronics and Computer Science
>>>> University of Southampton
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>>>> United Kingdom
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Apr 2012, at 22:58, "Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker"<sysbot+tracker@w3.org>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-342 (location-of-usage): prov:location is an optional attribute of entity and activity - others okay? [prov-dm]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/342
>>>>>
>>>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo
>>>>> On product: prov-dm
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.7.4.2 prov:location
>>>>>
>>>>> states:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The attribute prov:location is an optional attribute of entity and activity."
>>>>>
>>>>> does this imply that it is NOT an attribute of any other class?
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine that it might be useful to specify the location of a usage, which would be more specific than the location of the using activity. e.g., "The party happened at Sarah's. The cake was cut with a knife in the kitchen." To mention "kitchen" for the usage, prov:location seems natural.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it acceptable to view the DM's current statement as non-restrictive?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>        
>>      
>    

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