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Re: PROV-ISSUE-30 (name-for-bob): What name do we use for the BOB construct? [Conceptual Model]

From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:19:56 +0200
Message-ID: <4E2D353C.3050104@vu.nl>
To: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
CC: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
I thought we were getting somewhere with snapshot.....

I don't think ENTITY really captures the intuition behind a BOB. It's 
too general.

thanks,
Paul

Luc Moreau wrote:
> The word 'Entity' should also be considered for the construct BOB.
>
> If we do so, the text 'characterized entity' should be replaced by
> something else in the draft specification.
> Why not 'thing'?
>
>
> So, the text could become:
>
>    Section 4.
>    In the world (whether real or not), there are things, which can be
> physical, digital, conceptual, or otherwise, and activities involving
> things.
>    Words such as thing or activity should be understood with their
> informal meaning.
>    This specification is concerned with characterized things, that is,
> things and their situation in the world, as perceived by the asserter.
>
>    Section 5.1
>    An ENTITY represents an identifiable characterized thing.
>
>
> Luc
>
> On 07/24/2011 11:43 PM, Reza B'Far wrote:
>> First, for the record Khalid was the person suggesting Snapshot :)
>>
>> The way I've seen snapshot used commercially, it's fairly consistent
>> with the current definition of BOB.  There is some murkiness on both
>> sides (how "snapshot" is used commercially and I think we're still
>> iterating here on the definition of BOB, but may be that's close to be
>> finalized).  However, I think they are close enough.  What I liked
>> about "Snapshot" is that its intuitive and is used in several domains
>> that I know of (content management, legal, configuration systems, and
>> I've also seen use-cases in microfilm production by old-school
>> librarians).  Also, I think "Snapshot" offers a huge advantage that
>> it's neither explicitly linked to the entity nor its state.  And I
>> know the distinction between entity vs. entity's state and how that's
>> articulated has been in a lot of the discussions.  Using "Snapshot"
>> sort of obsoletes that discussion.
>>
>> On 7/24/11 12:57 PM, Stephan Zednik wrote:
>>> I am not partial to snapshot, partially because of the extensive
>>> functional usage of the term.  I have always associated a snapshot
>>> with a point in time, not a duration - but this may be an incorrect
>>> association.
>>>
>>> I am open to discussing it, but my initial inclination was negative
>>> towards it.
>>>
>>> Will we use the same definition as we have been using for BOB?
>>>
>>> --Stephan
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:52 AM, "Reza B'Far"<reza.bfar@oracle.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> I second the term "Snapshot".  This term also has functional usage
>>>> in several commercial application categories used within roughly the
>>>> same meaning.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/11 3:45 AM, Khalid Belhajjame wrote:
>>>>> Hi Stephan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the example you gave in your previous email, I think that
>>>>> "EntitySpanshot" or "Snapshot" should be fine, given that it
>>>>> reflect the fact that it is a description of an entity that holds
>>>>> for some period of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you agree?
>>>>>
>>>>> khalid
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/07/2011 20:24, Stephan Zednik wrote:
>>>>>> I do not feel that EntityInstance, EntityInstantiation, or
>>>>>> InstantiatedEntity make sense for the book ownership scenario, or
>>>>>> any scenario modeling the provenance of changes in characteristics
>>>>>> of a physical object.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To reiterate the example since I haven't committed it to a wiki
>>>>>> page yet.  Book X is an entity that represents a real world
>>>>>> object.  It can be put on a shelf, loaned to friends, damaged,
>>>>>> and/or destroyed.  It has important characteristics (condition,
>>>>>> ownership, location, etc) that may change over the life of the
>>>>>> book.  We may want to represent the provenance of the book as a
>>>>>> chain of ownership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> |<----------------------------------------------------- Book X
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------->|
>>>>>> |<!------ Book X with owner A ---->|<----Book X with owner B
>>>>>> ---->|<---- Book X with owner A --------->|
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a book changes ownership, is the "book with changed ownership"
>>>>>> a different EntityInstance?  A different InstantiatedEntity?  I
>>>>>> don't think what we current call a BOB is an 'instance of'
>>>>>> anything.  I think of it as a description of an entity that holds
>>>>>> for some time period (not necessarily given) for which
>>>>>> contextually important mutable characteristics of the the entity
>>>>>> are held to be known.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Stephan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/22/2011 5:29 AM, Curt Tilmes wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07/22/2011 03:43 AM, Khalid Belhajjame wrote:
>>>>>>>> The term "Snapshot" was suggested some time ago, and it seems that
>>>>>>>> several people did like it.
>>>>>>>> We can also use the term "EntitySnapshot".
>>>>>>> Following from snapshot:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> EntityInstance
>>>>>>> EntityInstantiation
>>>>>>> InstantiatedEntity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

-- 
Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth
Assistant Professor
Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
Artificial Intelligence Section
Department of Computer Science
VU University Amsterdam
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