- From: Víctor Rodríguez Doncel <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>
- Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 10:30:13 +0200
- To: public-poe-wg@w3.org
Fine for me on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday morning. Thursday and Friday are off for me (Eastern). Víctor El 31/03/2017 19:01, Ivan Herman escribió: > On Fri, March 31, 2017 9:27 am, Simon Steyskal wrote: >> Hi! >> >>> Go ahead without me. I will not be available until the 11th, and there >>> is no reason to wait for me. I can always comment on the outcome using >>> the usual channels… >> I think it makes more sense to just postpone the call such that all of >> us can participate. After the 11th, when are you available again Ivan? > I am back home on Monday the 10th, and I am available for the rest of the week, modulo other calls. > > Are all potential participants from Europe? Or Europe and Australia? Because if so, we can also schedule a call before > lunch on Wed or Thursday, for example; that may be easier. > > Ivan > > >> br simon >> >> Am 2017-03-31 10:07, schrieb Ivan Herman: >>>> On 31 Mar 2017, at 09:00, VÃctor RodrÃguez Doncel >>>> <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I see we cannot set a call with more than two participants. >>>> Shall we start speak speaking in a first call Simon and I and then in >>>> a second call with Ivan? >>>> Ivan when are you available? >>>> >>> Go ahead without me. I will not be available until the 11th, and there >>> is no reason to wait for me. I can always comment on the outcome using >>> the usual channels… >>> >>> Ivan >>> >>> >>>> VÃctor >>>> >>>> >>>> El 27/03/2017 a las 18:32, VÃctor RodrÃguez Doncel escribió: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I have created a doodle poll to see when can we meet to discuss the >>>>> scope and ambition of the formal semantics note. Link: >>>>> https://beta.doodle.com/poll/ricy6h4iha3b5s4z >>>>> >>>>> I have set a fixed time (12.30 GMT) and several different days trying >>>>> to concile the different constraints you have emailed already. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> VÃctor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> El 27/03/2017 a las 15:35, Phil Archer escribió: >>>>>> As ever, the minutes of today's meeting are at >>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2017/03/27-poe-minutes with a text snapshot >>>>>> below. Thanks Michael for scribing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Main topic today was Sabrina's new use case of modelling the GDPR >>>>>> using a profile of ODRL. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference >>>>>> >>>>>> 27 March 2017 >>>>>> >>>>>> [2]Agenda [3]IRC log >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170327 >>>>>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2017/03/27-poe-irc >>>>>> >>>>>> Attendees >>>>>> >>>>>> Present >>>>>> benws, benws110, ivan, michaelS, phila, renato, Sabrina, >>>>>> Serena, smyles, victor >>>>>> >>>>>> Regrets >>>>>> Brian, Caroline, Simon >>>>>> >>>>>> Chair >>>>>> Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> Scribe >>>>>> michaelS >>>>>> >>>>>> Contents >>>>>> >>>>>> * [4]Meeting Minutes >>>>>> 1. [5]Last week's minutes >>>>>> 2. [6]New Use Case >>>>>> 3. [7]Deliverables >>>>>> 4. [8]best practices >>>>>> 5. [9]open Actions >>>>>> 6. [10]London F2F >>>>>> * [11]Summary of Action Items >>>>>> * [12]Summary of Resolutions >>>>>> >>>>>> Meeting Minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> <benws110> nick benws >>>>>> >>>>>> <victor> hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> <renato> hi victor >>>>>> >>>>>> scribe michaelS >>>>>> >>>>>> Last week's minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: anybody want to raise an issue with last week's minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> <phila> [NOTUC] >>>>>> >>>>>> <phila> [13]Last week's minutes >>>>>> >>>>>> [13] https://www.w3.org/2017/03/20-poe-minutes.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Resolved: last week's minutes approved >>>>>> >>>>>> <renato> [14]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/ >>>>>> Use_Cases#POE.UC.37_Representing_regulations_using_ODRL >>>>>> >>>>>> [14] >>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#POE.UC.37_Representing_regulations_using_ODRL >>>>>> >>>>>> New Use Case >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: introduced the Use Case >>>>>> … it models the EU General Data Protection Regulation >>>>>> … it needs to cover that at a generic level but also in details >>>>>> … Article 12 added as an example >>>>>> … this article shows the important use of references to other >>>>>> articles >>>>>> … the numbering of the articles has at least two levels >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: any comments on that so far? >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: does this requirement belong to a profile or to the >>>>>> general ODRL model? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: this is a decision by this group >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: what does "refer to another article" mean? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: that are dependencies - look at Article 12. This may >>>>>> transform to many duties. >>>>>> … to check if Article 12 is fullfilled the fulfillment of other >>>>>> articles is required >>>>>> >>>>>> phila: GDPR is very important it would be a big PR win if ODRL >>>>>> could show that it can cover it. >>>>>> … key question: is ODRL is a good tool for that purpose. >>>>>> Sabrina do you feel that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: ODRL is not a bad fit. We need to specify obligations >>>>>> and constraints >>>>>> … There is work on taxonomies by other parties but less >>>>>> fitting. >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: we could promote this as a profile. This would serve to >>>>>> explain how to create a profile >>>>>> … and this profile could be shown to a wide audience. >>>>>> … the relationships between the constraints and duties is >>>>>> demandingö >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: we have dependencies between the duties, we have >>>>>> constraints on duties, actions and parties >>>>>> … supported to create a profile for that. >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: to show that we could express regulations and licences >>>>>> by the same language would be fine >>>>>> >>>>>> phil >>>>>> >>>>>> phila: supported using ODRL for this purpose >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: we are basically defining obligiations = duties = >>>>>> complying with the regulations >>>>>> … if we run into problems we will come back to this group >>>>>> … when it comes to constraints: there are discretational ones >>>>>> >>>>>> smyles: suggested to model optional constraints as permissions >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: that's not exactly the intention of the GDPR >>>>>> … there are statements like a recommendation - and we don't >>>>>> want to omit them >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: is thinking what this could look like in code: >>>>>> leftOperand say you may or may not use an icon >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: need for a discretional constraint: it would be good >>>>>> to meet this constraint but it doesn't stop the policy >>>>>> … if it is not met >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: for her and Simon some constraints a bit fuzzy, needs >>>>>> deeper reviews >>>>>> >>>>>> smyles: we may add a concept of recommendation = if you can, >>>>>> you should do that >>>>>> … there could be levels of recommendation: strongly recommended >>>>>> ... and more >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: will review this suggestion >>>>>> >>>>>> <renato> [15]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119 >>>>>> >>>>>> [15] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119 >>>>>> >>>>>> <phila> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", >>>>>> "SHALL >>>>>> >>>>>> <phila> NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and >>>>>> >>>>>> <phila> "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as >>>>>> described in >>>>>> >>>>>> <phila> RFC 2119. >>>>>> >>>>>> phila: RFC2119 is a standard specifying things like that - >>>>>> could help >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: Dispensation = something is required, but there is a >>>>>> dispensation under specific condiditions. >>>>>> … and some articles say "you are not allowed" others say >>>>>> "unless party X allows that" >>>>>> >>>>>> <victor> Dispensation: a : an exemption from a law or from an >>>>>> impediment, vow, or oath may be granted a dispensation from the >>>>>> rule b : a formal authorization requested a dispensation to >>>>>> form another lodge >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: in fact: an exception on an exception >>>>>> … may also be used >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: went over some more details of transforming DGPR into >>>>>> ODRL >>>>>> >>>>>> victor: thinks like that can be expressed by ODRL. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: we are looking not only at GDPR but also legal >>>>>> regulations in general - is the existing ODRL data model work >>>>>> for us >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: what are "features" >>>>>> >>>>>> victor: we could think about synonyms for hardwired constraints >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: two more things: "Feature" = article 12 has various >>>>>> obligations, some are well defined, some don't stand on their >>>>>> own. >>>>>> … we are looking at conjunctions and disjunctions in this >>>>>> context >>>>>> … transparency is the conjunction of all of them - we call them >>>>>> Features at the moment >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: we need additional constraints on the asset - they >>>>>> will span across multiple duties >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: ODRL scope could work >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: agreed >>>>>> … we have an issue with the type of processing - e.g. how >>>>>> personal data may be used for marketing >>>>>> >>>>>> smyles: the purpose is to define the nature of a party - right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: yes, depending on who you are rules may apply >>>>>> >>>>>> smyles: why not to split up in constraints for group A and >>>>>> group B of persons >>>>>> >>>>>> smyles: wondered if inheritance could be used >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: the controllers for different purposes are different >>>>>> … we look at what's there and then will come back to this group >>>>>> … the Wiki space could be used for discussions >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: timeline? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: there are different groups of work: e.g. transforming >>>>>> the article and the sub-points - but that's not very usable. >>>>>> … in a next step obligations have to be pulled out of the >>>>>> articles - and that's a big work, will take months. >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: does this timeline align with the ODRL timeline? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: yes. >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: do we need a new policy type "regulation"? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sabrina: yes >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: supported to use Wikipages for working on the >>>>>> transformation >>>>>> >>>>>> Deliverables >>>>>> >>>>>> <renato> [16]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables >>>>>> >>>>>> [16] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: went over [17]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/ >>>>>> Deliverables >>>>>> >>>>>> [17] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables >>>>>> >>>>>> <renato> [18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ >>>>>> public-poe-comments/2017Mar/0012.html >>>>>> >>>>>> [18] >>>>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-comments/2017Mar/0012.html >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: we got a reply from EDRLabs >>>>>> >>>>>> <renato> [19]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/118 >>>>>> >>>>>> [19] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/118 >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: raised some concerns regarding periods >>>>>> … this needs an update of the definitions of date/time and >>>>>> period constraints >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: re Horizontal reviews: >>>>>> … any news from Brian? >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: has sent a reminder >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: reviews seem to be on track >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: refered to a proposoal of Victor to hold a special >>>>>> meeting >>>>>> … = a call >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: asked Victor to launch a Doodgle survey for finding date >>>>>> and time >>>>>> >>>>>> best practices >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: tried to reach out to James from Catapult, but the email >>>>>> did not work >>>>>> >>>>>> open Actions >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: only 3 on the issue tracker >>>>>> >>>>>> <phila> s/RESOLVED: last week's minutes approved// >>>>>> >>>>>> <renato> [20]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/114 >>>>>> >>>>>> [20] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/114 >>>>>> >>>>>> London F2F >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: open issue is providing hotel rooms at TR rates - but >>>>>> Sabrina may have an alternative >>>>>> >>>>>> victor: would appreciate to have times for the agenda items >>>>>> >>>>>> bens: starting time 10am - ok? >>>>>> >>>>>> renato: agenda will be based on requests from group members and >>>>>> currently ongoing work >>>>>> >>>>>> <ivan> will there be possibiltiies for dial in? >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: suggested 5:30pm as closing time >>>>>> >>>>>> <ivan> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: it will be possible to dial in too >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: AOB? >>>>>> >>>>>> benws: none was raised - bye >>>>>> >>>>>> Summary of Action Items >>>>>> >>>>>> Summary of Resolutions >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. [21]last week's minutes approved >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> VÃctor RodrÃguez-Doncel >>>> D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG) >>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial >>>> ETS de Ingenieros Informáticos >>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>>> >>>> Campus de Montegancedo s/n >>>> Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain >>>> Tel. (+34) 91336 3753 >>>> Skype: vroddon3 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ---- >>> Ivan Herman, W3C >>> Publishing@W3C Technical Lead >>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ >>> mobile: +31-641044153 >>> ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704 >> --- >> DDipl.-Ing. Simon Steyskal >> Institute for Information Business, WU Vienna >> >> www: http://www.steyskal.info/ twitter: @simonsteys >> >> > -- Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG) Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial Facultad de Informática Universidad Politécnica de Madrid Campus de Montegancedo s/n Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain Tel. (+34) 91336 3672 Skype: vroddon3
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