Re: ACTION-1349: Creation of aria-placeholder

I like that note, but would it make sense for ARIA? After all,
aria-placeholder itself wouldn't make something displayed - it's just a way
to notify AT that a placeholder is there, maybe implementedvia an overlay
or something.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Joanie,
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> I like what you have, but I also like the note from MDN
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Input  as the
> MDN note explicitly states not to use a placeholder instead of a label.
>
> *Note:* Do not use the placeholder attribute instead of a *<label>*
> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/label> element.
> Their purposes are different: the *<label>*
> <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/label> attribute
> describes the role of the form element; that is, it indicates what kind of
> information is expected, the placeholder attribute is a hint about the
> format the content should take. There are cases in which the placeholder attribute
> is never displayed to the user, so the form must be understandable without
> it.
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>  Regards,
>
> Fred Esch
> Accessibility, Watson Innovations
> AARB Complex Visualization Working Group Chair
> W3C SVG A11y Task Force
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> AM---Hi all. Proposed text for aria-placeholder follows. It's]Joanmarie
> Diggs ---01/15/2015 09:56:56 AM---Hi all. Proposed text for
> aria-placeholder follows. It's lifted pretty much
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> From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
> To: W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
> Date: 01/15/2015 09:56 AM
> Subject: ACTION-1349: Creation of aria-placeholder
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> Hi all.
>
> Proposed text for aria-placeholder follows. It's lifted pretty much
> verbatim from the HTML5 spec. Thoughts?
>
> <proposal>
> Represents a short hint (a word or short phrase) intended to aid the
> user with data entry when the control has no value. A hint could be a
> sample value or a brief description of the expected format.
>
> Authors SHOULD present this hint to the user by displaying the text
> inside a blank unfocused control.
>
> Note: As is the case with the related HTML placeholder attribute, use of
> placeholder text as a replacement for a displayed label can reduce the
> accessibility and usability of the control for a range of users
> including older users and users with cognitive, mobility, fine motor
> skill or vision impairments. While the hint given by the control's label
> is shown at all times, the short hint given in the placeholder attribute
> is only shown before the user enters a value. Furthermore, placeholder
> text may be mistaken for a pre-filled value, and as commonly implemented
> the default color of the placeholder text provides insufficient contrast
> and the lack of a separate visible label reduces the size of the hit
> region available for setting focus on the control.
> </proposal>
>
> --joanie
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