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Re: QRG and NF&R

From: Rinke Hoekstra <hoekstra@uva.nl>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:01:34 +0200
Cc: Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, OWL 2 <public-owl-wg@w3.org>, Jie Bao <baojie@cs.rpi.edu>
Message-Id: <F8BAF27C-651E-4C7E-A14D-CAA59A81C628@uva.nl>
To: Christine Golbreich <cgolbrei@gmail.com>
On 15 apr 2009, at 16:08, Christine Golbreich wrote:
> I agree. We had voted the documents to be published as they were,
> being aware of possible imperfections that might be improved later. I
> only answerd to Rinke, it was not my intention to require any big
> changes at this time for this round.

Nor was it mine. The document is fine to publish as is for now.

-Rinke

> The slight fixes that the authors of the QRG might want to make,*if
> it's not a too big burden for anybody*, including people producing the
> documents, might be to add a few missing links to NF&R by adding some
> (N), e.g. universal object property, .. or for annotation axioms etc.
> If still possible it might be better, but it's not critical.
>
> Christine
>
> 2009/4/15 Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@comlab.ox.ac.uk>:
>> Hi Rinke,
>>
>> Thanks for this. Luckily, QRG isn't going to LC in this round, so  
>> we will
>> have plenty of time to sort out these issues. I suggest that, to  
>> make things
>> easier for the people working on producing the documents for this  
>> round, for
>> the time being we restrict changes to those that are absolutely  
>> necessary.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ian
>>
>>
>> On 15 Apr 2009, at 14:29, Rinke Hoekstra wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Christine,
>>>
>>> I agree with your remark on the pointers. In fact, I was just  
>>> drafting a
>>> message to that effect.
>>>
>>> I feel that the current way of linking from QRG to other documents  
>>> is
>>> suboptimal, and I would prefer either a separate column that  
>>> contains all
>>> (max) three links to Primer, Syntax and NF&R, or three separate  
>>> columns.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, the first column of the table is now called "Language
>>> Construct", whereas these are just descriptions of features of OWL  
>>> 2 (and
>>> OWL 1). I don't see the benefit of having a column 'equivalent  
>>> classes' that
>>> shows the Functional Style syntax 'EquivalentClasses' axiom, and  
>>> the RDF
>>> syntax 'owl:equivalentClass', i.e. the first column seems to be  
>>> superfluous
>>> in many cases. Perhaps it should be beefed-up a bit, e.g.  
>>> 'subclasses' could
>>> be 'Subclasses, class subsumption', 'equivalent classes' could be
>>> 'Equivalent classes, class equivalence'. This would improve  
>>> findability of
>>> the features listed.
>>>
>>> See some of my fiddling here [1].
>>>
>>> -Rinke
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Sandbox
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 apr 2009, at 13:28, Christine Golbreich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rinke
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you that several (N) are still missing in  the QRG
>>>> document and I had notified the authors about it some times ago  
>>>> after
>>>> my review of the document.
>>>> BTW I also mentionned that the (N) pointer might have been  
>>>> replaced by
>>>> something else  more clear e.g. (New) or (NF&R) to point to NF&R.
>>>>
>>>> Christine
>>>>
>>>> 2009/4/15 Rinke Hoekstra <hoekstra@uva.nl>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christine,
>>>>>
>>>>> No, my bad! Indeed it's an omission in the QRG, not the NF&R  
>>>>> document. I
>>>>> looked for 'universal property', instead of topObjectProperty...
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rinke
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 apr 2009, at 13:07, Christine Golbreich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Rinke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, please note that NF&R does list 2.7.4 Top and bottom  
>>>>>> properties at
>>>>>> [1].
>>>>>> Did you mean something else ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/New_Features_and_Rationale#Top_and_bottom_properties
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/4/15 Rinke Hoekstra <hoekstra@uva.nl>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just noticed that (amongst others) the universal property in  
>>>>>>> the QRG
>>>>>>> (section 2.2.1, [1]) does not have a link to the NF&R  
>>>>>>> document. This
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> correct, as the NF&R doc does not list it, but I think it  
>>>>>>> should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Rinke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide#Properties
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Drs Rinke Hoekstra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leibniz Center for Law      |  AI Department
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Drs Rinke Hoekstra
>>>>>
>>>>> Leibniz Center for Law      |  AI Department
>>>>> Faculty of Law              |  Faculty of Sciences
>>>>> Universiteit van Amsterdam  |  Vrije Universiteit
>>>>> Kloveniersburgwal 48        |  De Boelelaan 1081a
>>>>> 1012 CX  Amsterdam          |  1081 HV Amsterdam
>>>>> +31-(0)20-5253499           |  +31-(0)20-5987752
>>>>> hoekstra@uva.nl             |  hoekstra@few.vu.nl
>>>>>
>>>>> Homepage: http://www.leibnizcenter.org/users/rinke
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Drs Rinke Hoekstra
>>>
>>> Leibniz Center for Law      |  AI Department
>>> Faculty of Law              |  Faculty of Sciences
>>> Universiteit van Amsterdam  |  Vrije Universiteit
>>> Kloveniersburgwal 48        |  De Boelelaan 1081a
>>> 1012 CX  Amsterdam          |  1081 HV Amsterdam
>>> +31-(0)20-5253499           |  +31-(0)20-5987752
>>> hoekstra@uva.nl             |  hoekstra@few.vu.nl
>>>
>>> Homepage: http://www.leibnizcenter.org/users/rinke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Christine



---
Drs Rinke Hoekstra

Leibniz Center for Law      |  AI Department
Faculty of Law              |  Faculty of Sciences
Universiteit van Amsterdam  |  Vrije Universiteit
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