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Re: UFDTF minutes for 28 Jan 2008

From: Deborah L. McGuinness <dlm@ksl.stanford.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:59:42 -0500
Message-ID: <47A090DE.5090400@ksl.stanford.edu>
To: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>
CC: "Elisa F. Kendall" <ekendall@sandsoft.com>, public-owl-wg@w3.org

Alan Ruttenberg wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Elisa F. Kendall wrote:
>> Hi Peter and all,
>> Since I missed the last part of the call, and the minutes are fairly 
>> terse, a couple of questions:
>> (1) was there any decision made with respect to a separate 
>> overview/quick start document in addition to moving forward with the 
>> primer/guide?
> No.
this also brings up the question, of how to make forward progress on 
this point.  at the meeting we heard that at least some of us had a 
number of users who use and desire this overview functionality. 
simultaneously at least some of us believed that it would not be able to 
be merged with the primer work.  precisely some of the issues that were 
brought up as desires for the 1.1 guide replacement - constructor 
completeness, running example of something ala the wine demo, create too 
much of a tension with the desired short description and quickstart 
capabilities with some notion of completeness providing cut and paste 
options for the guide.
Given that we as a group are committed to providing the overview 
capabilities in the charter and some believe strongly that it should not 
be merged into the primer (and also believe that it does not belong on a 
home page), how do we make forward progress on this?  i thought elisa 
brought some fresh perspective to the topic with her homework on 
reviewing other existing documents and she had some suggestions for an 
outline.  i also thought it would make sense to take her up on her offer 
to think more about outline issues as a result of her work.  do others 
agree/disagree at least with the offer for more thoughts on the outline?
>> (2) is there a summary anywhere of the concerns (i.e., regarding the 
>> comment that the primer could replace the guide modulo a few concerns)?
> From memory and minutes:
> * Would like it to be constructor comprehensive (Peter said close 
> anyways)
> * Would like it to have something to play with a la wine agent (for 
> further discussion)
> But we left it deliberately vague as we expect things to advance and 
> continue comment over time.
one other thing that was mentioned, was that the straw poll was not 
concerning moving forward with the primer as a potential replacement for 
the overview.  if we had taken a straw poll on that, not surprisingly, i 
would have voted -1 and from the comments on the call, i believe others 
would have voted that way as well.

elisa also mentioned in her presentation the value of the example and 
while i and some like the wine example, we realize it has some issues.  
she proposed some other topics as options.  we did not discuss this 
point further but i think we should so that we have some idea of what 
the example is that we are expecting to have to play with since assuming 
it is new content, it is worth spending some time soon thinking about it 
so we have enough time to get a decent agent available to play with.  i 
will see elisa on friday of next week and if there was interest in the 2 
topics she mentioned (olive oil and/or cheese), i would be happy to 
explore those thoughts further with her.
> -Alan
>> Just checking, and thanks!
>> Elisa
>> Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote:
>>> Are at
>>> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Minutes.2008.01.28
>>> peter
Received on Wednesday, 30 January 2008 14:59:57 UTC

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